Can one be still deported if he commit a crime right after becoming a citizenship?

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AmericanWannabe

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Especially when becoming a citizenship is one overt act of the crime
such as
(1) the culplrit decide to becoem a citizen because in case he get caught,
he face less serious consequences since no deportation is possible
(2) citizenship is required to carry out the illegal act for example,
he need to become a police to do the crime (say, an inside job),
and citizenship is required for becoing a policeman.

I think at least on one grounds, he can be deported.
At the time of becoing citizens, applicant are
asked about reasosn. Such a person can
not state real reasons as listed above. So
he must lie and thus commit a fraud
 
there is nothing in the law that says anything about when one becomes citizen right away then it would be easier to take away citizenship.

here is a list of things that can have your citizenship revoked.

http://travel.state.gov/law/loss.html

even if you commit a crime while a police officer I don't think that will get your citizenship taken away.

The only things that can do it are acts of treason, voting in a foreign election, and working for a foreign government.
 
Not an option at all to hope to commit a serious crime and get deported (and remain free elsewhere) - a jail time or worse is guaranteed - i.e. a person commits a serious crime, a murder etc. and hopes they will deport him/her for a fraud since he/she lied about the intent when getting employment as a policemen? No way. A fraud does not weigh the same as murder etc., and they can prosecute a culprit for the crime that weighs more or both crimes. I am sure that such a person will have to spend time in jail, period. Even if you are not a US citizen and commit a crime you are going to sit in US jail. Watch "Law and Order"!

(QUOTE=AmericanWannabe]Especially when becoming a citizenship is one overt act of the crime
such as
(1) the culplrit decide to becoem a citizen because in case he get caught,
he face less serious consequences since no deportation is possible
(2) citizenship is required to carry out the illegal act for example,
he need to become a police to do the crime (say, an inside job),
and citizenship is required for becoing a policeman.

I think at least on one grounds, he can be deported.
At the time of becoing citizens, applicant are
asked about reasosn. Such a person can
not state real reasons as listed above. So
he must lie and thus commit a fraud[/QUOTE]
 
stonewall said:
Not an option at all to hope to commit a serious crime and get deported (and remain free elsewhere) - a jail time or worse is guaranteed
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Punishment for some crime may be just a slap in the wrist
but are still deportable. For example, many of drug offenses
may not lead to any jail terms but CIS regard such offense
very seriously. So one may be addicted to drug use
and by becoming a citizen, one may think "benefits"
of using drug may be worth the risk if deportation
is not impossible.

Many perfectly legal things for citizens may be
deportable offense to aliens. For example,
prostitution is legal in parts of Nevada
but aliens involved are to be deported.
 
it's a matter of what country will take responsibility for this person.

That is why INS does a very thorough background check because once that person is granted citizenship then that person becomes our responsibility.
 
If you commit a crime after becoming citizen, you are treated as any other citizen criminals. You would be subjected to 100% US criminal court laws and at the same time you'll have all rights of a citizen like...access to an attorney and defending yourselves in US court from a citizen's angle.
 
AmericanWannabe said:
Punishment for some crime may be just a slap in the wrist
but are still deportable. For example, many of drug offenses
may not lead to any jail terms but CIS regard such offense
very seriously. So one may be addicted to drug use
and by becoming a citizen, one may think "benefits"
of using drug may be worth the risk if deportation
is not impossible.

Many perfectly legal things for citizens may be
deportable offense to aliens. For example,
prostitution is legal in parts of Nevada
but aliens involved are to be deported.
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Once you are a citizen....the term "alien" is no more applicable. You would be subject to US court laws applicable to citizens. A drug case may end up in jail time rather than 'deportation'.
 
JoeF said:
Unless you obtained citizenship by fraud like hiding a material fact. In that case, CIS uses the position that you never really acquired citizenship, and the provisions of INA relating to aliens apply.
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That explain why almost no one ever filed lawsuit against CIS.
More or less CIS can dig up some dirts about you if they want to.
 
JoeF said:
Unless you obtained citizenship by fraud like hiding a material fact. In that case, CIS uses the position that you never really acquired citizenship, and the provisions of INA relating to aliens apply.
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Unless CIS revokes citizenship by proper proceeding, you are liable to US court laws applicable to citizens. CIS can't apply alien LAW just on DOUBT of fraud. Aswell CIS can revoke citizenship based on fraud only within 5yrs of granting citizenship, after that citizenship can be revoked only for treasons not for fraud.
 
GCLookup said:
Unless CIS revokes citizenship by proper proceeding, you are liable to US court laws applicable to citizens. CIS can't apply alien LAW just on DOUBT of fraud. Aswell CIS can revoke citizenship based on fraud only within 5yrs of granting citizenship, after that citizenship can be revoked only for treasons not for fraud.
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Some ex-NAZIs were de-natualized and then deported. The grounds
should be fraud - they did not say they were once- NAZI at the time
of entering states, getting the GC, and becoing citizens.

They did not have NAZI actitivies after becoming citizens
and there are actually neo-NAZI among natual born citizens.
 
AmericanWannabe said:
Some ex-NAZIs were de-natualized and then deported. The grounds
should be fraud - they did not say they were once- NAZI at the time
of entering states, getting the GC, and becoing citizens.

They did not have NAZI actitivies after becoming citizens
and there are actually neo-NAZI among natual born citizens.
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Being associated with NAZI anytime can fit into treason category and thats what lead to de-natualized. But other crimes(including inconsistancies in citizenship document ) which are not treason don't lead to de-natualization after 5yrs of natualization
 
GCLookup said:
Being associated with NAZI anytime can fit into treason category and thats what lead to de-natualized. But other crimes(including inconsistancies in citizenship document ) which are not treason don't lead to de-natualization after 5yrs of natualization
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Being associated with NAZI prior to coming to USA can not fit into
treatson, at least not treason against USA.
 
AmericanWannabe said:
Being associated with NAZI prior to coming to USA can not fit into
treatson, at least not treason against USA.
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You are right.

AmericanWannabe said:
Some ex-NAZIs were de-natualized and then deported.should be fraud - they did not say they were once- NAZI at the time
of entering states, getting the GC, and becoing citizens
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In Above case, CIS can deport them on the basis of fraud information while getting citizenship only within 5yrs of their citizenship. So they must have deported within 5yrs of their citizenship.
 
GCLookup said:
In Above case, CIS can deport them on the basis of fraud information while getting citizenship only within 5yrs of their citizenship. So they must have deported within 5yrs of their citizenship.
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There are ex-nazis got deported after 50 years (not five) of US citizenship. Very recent case is Wasylike case at NY (in 2001-2002).
 
GCLookup said:
My bad. There is no time limit for it.
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If Arnold Swschzewagner (sp?) worked illegally when he
was still on nonimmigrant visa as he himself admited, why does
CIS not take any action against him? The election can be nullified and the
former governor can take his job back.

He still hopes one day he can run for the president office
if the constitution changes.
 
JoeF said:
Because he married a US citizen and his former working without authorization is then forgiven.
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Is it automatically forgiven or one has to go thru some formal
forgiveness procedure?

Maybe CIS also forgive not reporting change of address,
not carrying the GC, quiting the GC sponsor too early
etc for immediate relatives of citizens.
 
JoeF said:
That's automatic.
Nope. That's not in the law.
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Then CIS still can look into whether Arnold reported
change of address or not. CIS can check his
AR-11 records against his driver license record
to see if two sequences of address match or not.
 
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