Here is a news article that pretty much sums up the blame game that is going on in Washington ..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060408/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush
saras76
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060408/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush
saras76
Blame game ..
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Interesting article...
I was thinking the other day about illegal immigration and a thought popped out of my head
!
Let's say 11 million illegals are put on the path of citizenship and immigration in the next 5 to 10 years. Now, when the H1-B's apply for and get their green cards, they become free from the "bondage" to one employer and have the choice to pursue whatever jobs, or even different careers they wish to pursue. And in majority of cases, they find better, higher-paying jobs (natural progression).
Now imagine, 11 million illegals with green cards! Why would they continue to toil for $3/hr under the table when now they can go and work at a Wendy's or some other legal workplace for at least the minimum wage or even higher. To a great extent, exploitation of illegals by large and small businesses in America will be reduced by this action.
So, the illegal who toils at the farm in Florida for a pittance (has no choice today, he is living in the shadows), can now quit that job and move up (natural progression of human existence again).
So, the question is, will that farm job go unfilled again (when the next harvest season rolls around) as there are no low-paying (read illegal) workers available? Will that open another round of massive illegal aliens (300,000/yr at the least) crossing borders to fill those farm/other jobs?
I wonder...
I was thinking the other day about illegal immigration and a thought popped out of my head
!Let's say 11 million illegals are put on the path of citizenship and immigration in the next 5 to 10 years. Now, when the H1-B's apply for and get their green cards, they become free from the "bondage" to one employer and have the choice to pursue whatever jobs, or even different careers they wish to pursue. And in majority of cases, they find better, higher-paying jobs (natural progression).
Now imagine, 11 million illegals with green cards! Why would they continue to toil for $3/hr under the table when now they can go and work at a Wendy's or some other legal workplace for at least the minimum wage or even higher. To a great extent, exploitation of illegals by large and small businesses in America will be reduced by this action.
So, the illegal who toils at the farm in Florida for a pittance (has no choice today, he is living in the shadows), can now quit that job and move up (natural progression of human existence again).
So, the question is, will that farm job go unfilled again (when the next harvest season rolls around) as there are no low-paying (read illegal) workers available? Will that open another round of massive illegal aliens (300,000/yr at the least) crossing borders to fill those farm/other jobs?
I wonder...
Great point ...
GC_TRAP,
You have made a great point. I think that there is no real solution to the illegal immigration problem. Making 11 million illegals into legals will only give way for the next wave of 11+ million illegals who will come in the next 4-5 years.
Lets face it, America needs illegals to do the low paying jobs. The American economy would feel the pinch if illegals are taken out of the equation. Its funny how no one is talking about this obvious fact. In this election year every politician is talking about how they are concerned about "Americas National Security" and how this immigrantion bill will make things safer. It is such bull. America needs illegals and cannot do without them. That is the ugly truth that no one is willing to admit. Rest assured that once this mid-year election is over this issue will die down till 2008 when some party will decide to make a big issue of it again.
regards,
saras76
GC_TRAP said:I was thinking the other day about illegal immigration and a thought popped out of my head
Let's say 11 million illegals are put on the path of citizenship and immigration in the next 5 to 10 years. Now, when the H1-B's apply for and get their green cards, they become free from the "bondage" to one employer and have the choice to pursue whatever jobs, or even different careers they wish to pursue. And in majority of cases, they find better, higher-paying jobs (natural progression).
Now imagine, 11 million illegals with green cards! Why would they continue to toil for $3/hr under the table when now they can go and work at a Wendy's or some other legal workplace for at least the minimum wage or even higher. To a great extent, exploitation of illegals by large and small businesses in America will be reduced by this action.
So, the illegal who toils at the farm in Florida for a pittance (has no choice today, he is living in the shadows), can now quit that job and move up (natural progression of human existence again).
So, the question is, will that farm job go unfilled again (when the next harvest season rolls around) as there are no low-paying (read illegal) workers available? Will that open another round of massive illegal aliens (300,000/yr at the least) crossing borders to fill those farm/other jobs?
I wonder...
GC_TRAP,
You have made a great point. I think that there is no real solution to the illegal immigration problem. Making 11 million illegals into legals will only give way for the next wave of 11+ million illegals who will come in the next 4-5 years.
Lets face it, America needs illegals to do the low paying jobs. The American economy would feel the pinch if illegals are taken out of the equation. Its funny how no one is talking about this obvious fact. In this election year every politician is talking about how they are concerned about "Americas National Security" and how this immigrantion bill will make things safer. It is such bull. America needs illegals and cannot do without them. That is the ugly truth that no one is willing to admit. Rest assured that once this mid-year election is over this issue will die down till 2008 when some party will decide to make a big issue of it again.
regards,
saras76
this exemplifies middle class complacency over lower class
but you middle class should know: the rich have a similar view on you as you on the menial labors. Through taxation, inflation, and exploitation, this modern world keeps people poor enough so that they work every day. you are just another ordinary cell in the MATRIX. Funny that you want to be one!
Look at the average American middle class citizens: debt to eyeballs. GC is not your passport to freedom.
but you middle class should know: the rich have a similar view on you as you on the menial labors. Through taxation, inflation, and exploitation, this modern world keeps people poor enough so that they work every day. you are just another ordinary cell in the MATRIX. Funny that you want to be one!
Look at the average American middle class citizens: debt to eyeballs. GC is not your passport to freedom.
saras76 said:
What does this have to do with illegal immigration ..
mummuiezed,
Although you have written the post really well, I fail to see what your point is and how it relates to illegal immigrants ...
You should think of running for some sort of political office because like any other politician you have made some fancy statements that amount to nothing ...
regards,
sars
mummiezed said:
mummuiezed,
Although you have written the post really well, I fail to see what your point is and how it relates to illegal immigrants ...
You should think of running for some sort of political office because like any other politician you have made some fancy statements that amount to nothing ...
regards,
sars
Arvind_I140
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Can't agree more
It is not entirely true that all the 11 million are going to get a job at prevailing wages as there are not so many legal decent paying jobs available.
So even if we assume that they all get green cards, the same situation is going to continue for them as most of them still don't know to speak good English which is a must to get in to a decent job.
Moreover, now that they are branded as legal aliens, they have to start paying taxes on payroll which they don;t do today. (The downside of it is that one could also be receiving all unemployment and health care benefits that come with permanent residency)
In a nutshell, the alien's so called American dream of permanent residency is not going to improve their social or monetary status(Which is also true for people pursuing the legal channels).
It is not entirely true that all the 11 million are going to get a job at prevailing wages as there are not so many legal decent paying jobs available.
So even if we assume that they all get green cards, the same situation is going to continue for them as most of them still don't know to speak good English which is a must to get in to a decent job.
Moreover, now that they are branded as legal aliens, they have to start paying taxes on payroll which they don;t do today. (The downside of it is that one could also be receiving all unemployment and health care benefits that come with permanent residency)
In a nutshell, the alien's so called American dream of permanent residency is not going to improve their social or monetary status(Which is also true for people pursuing the legal channels).
keep them illegal
The US middle class subconsciously support illegal immigration, would love to keep the menial labors illegal, and would feel very uncomfortable if the Congress legalizes them.
There is a striking similarity between US and the Rome Empire. The former had slaves and now has illegal immigrants, the latter had slaves.
The Senate bill will not pass.
The US middle class subconsciously support illegal immigration, would love to keep the menial labors illegal, and would feel very uncomfortable if the Congress legalizes them.
There is a striking similarity between US and the Rome Empire. The former had slaves and now has illegal immigrants, the latter had slaves.
The Senate bill will not pass.
saras76 said:
Dallas03096
Registered Users (C)
Politicians are keen only on the votebank
Is there a real concern for the persons toiling for below minimum wage levels and living in the shadows? Ofcourse not! The politicians are only interested in the political games to increase their votebanks. One party is interested in the business community who are the exploiters of this cheap labor. The other party is interested in legalizing the illegals in the hope that they will become their votebanks in future.
If the government is really serious about eliminating the problem these are some of the possible steps:
1) Secure the borders in a fool-proof way to eliminate future infiltration.
2) Enforce the minimum wages act strictly so that there is no incentive to employ the illegals.
3) Get a good count of the illegals currently present in the country by providing them a guest-worker card valid for 3 years.
4) Bring the illegals out of shadows by providing a mechanism to get all the illegals registered (within a fixed timeframe) at every point where they are employed or where they live or when they get to the hospitals or to schools or when they get some benefits.
The foremost priority should be to bring the illegals out of shadows and not talk about green cards or citizenship for them. Their US born children can sponsor them for green cards after turning 21 years old.
Is there a real concern for the persons toiling for below minimum wage levels and living in the shadows? Ofcourse not! The politicians are only interested in the political games to increase their votebanks. One party is interested in the business community who are the exploiters of this cheap labor. The other party is interested in legalizing the illegals in the hope that they will become their votebanks in future.
If the government is really serious about eliminating the problem these are some of the possible steps:
1) Secure the borders in a fool-proof way to eliminate future infiltration.
2) Enforce the minimum wages act strictly so that there is no incentive to employ the illegals.
3) Get a good count of the illegals currently present in the country by providing them a guest-worker card valid for 3 years.
4) Bring the illegals out of shadows by providing a mechanism to get all the illegals registered (within a fixed timeframe) at every point where they are employed or where they live or when they get to the hospitals or to schools or when they get some benefits.
The foremost priority should be to bring the illegals out of shadows and not talk about green cards or citizenship for them. Their US born children can sponsor them for green cards after turning 21 years old.
Time Magazine Article
Heres' a link to an article in Time Magazine about the failure of the immigration reform bill
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1181547,00.html?cnn=yes
The Action will be after the mid term polls.
Heres' a link to an article in Time Magazine about the failure of the immigration reform bill
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1181547,00.html?cnn=yes
The Action will be after the mid term polls.