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Basurto

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I'm to apply for asylum status but i got a big question.
I know that you can not apply for asylum in the USA, if you have another country's offer of asylum.
My case is that i have two nationalities and i'm wondering if i my asylum case could be denied just because i have a 3th country to go.
I accept that i could go to the 3th country because of my second citizenship, but the real thing is that it doesn't match with the law that says something like "if the person have a 3th country asylum offer.
Thank's
 
Basurto said:
I'm to apply for asylum status but i got a big question.
I know that you can not apply for asylum in the USA, if you have another country's offer of asylum.
My case is that i have two nationalities and i'm wondering if i my asylum case could be denied just because i have a 3th country to go.
I accept that i could go to the 3th country because of my second citizenship, but the real thing is that it doesn't match with the law that says something like "if the person have a 3th country asylum offer.
Thank's
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You are confusing. YOu say that you can go the 3rd country because of your 2nd citizenship....Tell us by countries...and what's your nationality..where did u apply for asylum?
 
Here again.

Yes, i got two citizenships.
One is from Argentina and the second one is italian.
I know that my case is good, but i'm affraid that because my italian citizenship the us gob, would say that i got a "firm resettlement". Is it possible?
I know that i need a lawyer, but i wish to listen your oppinion by now.
Thanks to all of you and best luck.
 
As a citizen of these two democratic nations, I am almost 100% sure that you can not apply for political asylum in US (you can apply but you will definitely lose the case) - maybe you can do it in China or North Korea :):)

So, don't waste your money.


Basurto said:
Yes, i got two citizenships.
One is from Argentina and the second one is italian.
I know that my case is good, but i'm affraid that because my italian citizenship the us gob, would say that i got a "firm resettlement". Is it possible?
I know that i need a lawyer, but i wish to listen your oppinion by now.
Thanks to all of you and best luck.
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Basurto said:
I'm to apply for asylum status but i got a big question.
I know that you can not apply for asylum in the USA, if you have another country's offer of asylum.
My case is that i have two nationalities and i'm wondering if i my asylum case could be denied just because i have a 3th country to go.
I accept that i could go to the 3th country because of my second citizenship, but the real thing is that it doesn't match with the law that says something like "if the person have a 3th country asylum offer.
Thank's
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What passport do u carry? If Argentina, there is no need to evoke ur Italian connection. Why would you?
 
My two citizenships.

When i asked for a B class visa, they asked me if i had other nationality and i said yes, italian.
Also the form to fill in order to get asylum ask you if you or your family ever applied for a legal status to a different nation. So, what should i do?
Thank you again.
 
Basurto,

ASYLUM is meant for people who can't go back to their home country. It isn't intended to legalize yourself just because "you want to stay in this country."

I dont want to be rude. But you chose Italy as your destination to start your life after problems in your home country right? THen why do you intend to do it all over again? I understand that America has lot of opportunities but the last thing you want to do is have USCIS blacklist list you after your failed asylum application.

You can do 2 things:

1) Find other means of immigration..Student Visa? H-1 Visa?
2) Apply for asylum but "hide" the fact that you are an italian citizen. Ofcourse this is wrong thing to do and I am not recommending it but I am letting you know that People have done this in the past.

Option 2 is not valid for you as I think about it. Because your B2 visa application says that you are an Italian Citizen also. The question is Why do you want to apply for asylum? Is it just that you think your case is Good or is it that you are truely scared of persecution?
 
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Misunderstanding

Hi "wantmygcnow"!
Of course i know what an asylum means, and you can be sure that my main problem is not legalize my stay in the USA. I got a company and a house in Florida.

The problem is that my home goverment doesn't care about human rights. I've been suffering real persecution here and by now i can't even go out of my home with a big risk of been kill. Why? because i've always worked in defense of human rights and i had to acuse my goverment at OAS several times.

Sure USA offers so many oportunities to the world, but it's not a big deal for me that have business realtions sice 1999.

I didn't go to Italy to escape or asking asylum,

my mother was italian and got the italian citizenship in 1990. Long before i started to have the problems i have now.

I don't want to "hide" anything to the USA goverment or to do anything ilegally.

If i went to Italy i could live a life there, but can not ask for an asylum. In the USA i can ask for asylum, solve part of my worries and say the world, Institutions and Organizations that in my country human rights are not important, are not a big issue and no goverment branch take care about it. In that sense i can help many other people, myself and my country.

So, the question is if you think that my italian citizenship could be an important factor in order to get asylum in USA. Is it possible to understand my italian nationality as a "firm resettlement"?
Thank you all.
 
Ok well then the question is are you really settled in Italy? Where do you pay income taxes? You should've renounced your italian citizenship once you had it..I Think your case is complicated..YOu need an attorney.
 
Basurto said:
Hi "wantmygcnow"!
Of course i know what an asylum means, and you can be sure that my main problem is not legalize my stay in the USA. I got a company and a house in Florida.

The problem is that my home goverment doesn't care about human rights. I've been suffering real persecution here and by now i can't even go out of my home with a big risk of been kill. Why? because i've always worked in defense of human rights and i had to acuse my goverment at OAS several times.

Sure USA offers so many oportunities to the world, but it's not a big deal for me that have business realtions sice 1999.

I didn't go to Italy to escape or asking asylum,

my mother was italian and got the italian citizenship in 1990. Long before i started to have the problems i have now.

I don't want to "hide" anything to the USA goverment or to do anything ilegally.

If i went to Italy i could live a life there, but can not ask for an asylum. In the USA i can ask for asylum, solve part of my worries and say the world, Institutions and Organizations that in my country human rights are not important, are not a big issue and no goverment branch take care about it. In that sense i can help many other people, myself and my country.

So, the question is if you think that my italian citizenship could be an important factor in order to get asylum in USA. Is it possible to understand my italian nationality as a "firm resettlement"?
Thank you all.
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I Dont think you can be approved for asylum in the USA as you CAN live safely in Italy. BUT...what you can do is apply for an immgrant visa based on the business/investment as you already have a business in the US.
Ofcourse it's just what I think. ALso you will be in a much better position to help others when you obtain your business visa or LPR based on investment.
 
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Basurto said:
I'm to apply for asylum status but i got a big question.
I know that you can not apply for asylum in the USA, if you have another country's offer of asylum.
My case is that i have two nationalities and i'm wondering if i my asylum case could be denied just because i have a 3th country to go.
I accept that i could go to the 3th country because of my second citizenship, but the real thing is that it doesn't match with the law that says something like "if the person have a 3th country asylum offer.
Thank's
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I know some one who stayed in itali before comming here and he had a valid paper work from itali to live and work and granted asylum here is usa he hold his orginal citizen from the country of birth but he doesnt have a citizen from itali
 
Very interesting? or not.

How would you understand these lines:



"Firm resettlement is not dual nationality

Firm resettlement is often confused with the
issue of dual nationality because both
situations involve the alien finding
protection in a third country. Usually they
can be easily distinguished because firm
resettlement always requires that the alien
will have entered into the third country and
been given an offer of some kind of status,
not necessarily citizenship. In dual
nationality there are no requirements of
presence or an offer and the status must
always be citizenship."


I found it in a officer training manual and it's from 2003.
I'm asking also cause my english is a little short for this legal terms.
Thank's again.
 
In the end firmly settled or not..you are an Italian Citizen. Period. Italy is a safe country and you are the citizen..USA doesnt care if you are settled in Italy or not...You are also not settled in the United States. If you werent Italian Citizen and lets say working in Italy on your Argentenian passport and a work visa..then you can be eligibile for Asylum because you "can't go" to any other country.

Basically asylum is that Hey Give me help because I can't go to any other country...In your case YOu can be in italy and get all the rights...

You can do research and all that..but Research is always about what you are lintending to look for..If you are researching to satisfy that you can apply for asylum..you will find some definition somewhere where it will be murky about settlement as you pulled out....which says clearly that if ur a citizen of a country it is firm settelment...

But in the end...your asylum claim will be denied and you may be barred to enter to U.S on any of nationality(finger prints are taken when applying for asylum).

I suggest you hire a lawyer and make sure he doesnt mislead you. Get more than one opinion. Lawyers are blood sucking leaches...they may say Yes your case is good but when you are in trouble..no one will be able to bail you out.
 
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I Dont think you can be approved for asylum in the USA as you CAN live safely in Italy. BUT...what you can do is apply for an immgrant visa based on the business/investment as you already have a business in the US.
Ofcourse it's just what I think. ALso you will be in a much better position to help others when you obtain your business visa or LPR based on investment.
Since you already know so much it is best to check with a lawyer.
 
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