Asylee(belarussian) from US traveling to RUSSIA

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billyJ

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I recently become asylee in the US and already have my RTD. Originally I am citizen of Belarus.
As an asylee I am not allowed to use my Belarussian passport for traveling, instead I need to use my RTD.
Belarussian citizens do not need any visa to enter Russia. I was trying to contact Russian embasy/consulate by phone, but they just do not pick up the phone.
So, I decided to contact agency that help to apply for Russian visa. They didn't know what to do in my case, so they asked me for some time for research.
After while I've got email that list what documents I need to provide in order to get Russian visa. One of the documents was passport! I called them couple more times and still got the same list of the documents...

Maybe somebody in the forum from Belarus, who got asylum in the USA traveled to Russia? Could you share your experience and describe the whole process?
There is no border between Russia and Belarus. Did somebody try to travel back to Belarus? Is it safe to do so? Is it safe even to go to Russia (I am worried that I can be in Belorussian black list, because they want me to serve in military)?

I really hope to find someone here with the same case. Thanks guys!
 
Belarus and Russia do not have borders. I know that. Only trucks transporting goods may be checked. You can to Belarus from Russia without any documents by train or car. I know that some Belarussians visit Russia and then cross Belarussian border to see their relatives.
 
First of all, there is a border between Belarus and Russia. If you drive through you have to show your passport.

I was in the same situation and traveled to Russia with a US Travel document with a Russian Visa. I used a travel agency in NY to get a visa (the travel agency name is Russian National Group).

Hope this helps.
 
When did you go to Belarus from Russia?

I spoke with my friend who live in Europe and were crossing Russian-Belarussian border recently by car. They didn't show there passports or any other documents. Only driver have to show there driver license.

I think you probably fly to Belarus, that is why you had to show passport.

Could you let me know if I am correct?
 
I went a little over a year ago. I did not go to Belarus, I stayed in Moscow but my dad and my brother drove from Minsk to Moscow. On the way there only my dad(the driver) was asked for a passport, on the way back though both my brother and my dad were asked for a passport. It depends who is checking.

If you got asylum from Belarus why would you even think about going back there?
I understand you might have family there but it is much safer for them to come to Russia to see you then for you to go to Belarus.
 
billyJ said:
When did you go to Belarus from Russia?

I spoke with my friend who live in Europe and were crossing Russian-Belarussian border recently by car. They didn't show there passports or any other documents. Only driver have to show there driver license.

I think you probably fly to Belarus, that is why you had to show passport.

Could you let me know if I am correct?
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I asked my friend and he needed to show his passport!
 
billyJ said:
When did you go to Belarus from Russia?

I spoke with my friend who live in Europe and were crossing Russian-Belarussian border recently by car. They didn't show there passports or any other documents. Only driver have to show there driver license.

I think you probably fly to Belarus, that is why you had to show passport.

Could you let me know if I am correct?
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Hey are you trying to go to your COP with asylum status?
You know it is illegal, because you are violating the INA.
And you still seeking advice how to illegally cross the border? You just got your asylum as far as I understand based on persecution in Belarus. So why are you going back to COP? So if you don't have a fear to visit your COP, you are not qualify for Asylum. Status can be revoked at any time, and they even can revoke your GC or Citizenship based on lying to Immigration Officer UNDER OATH!

People like you claiming asylum status based on lies making lines bigger and don't let people who actually qualify for asylum process their cases on timely manner. Making their interviews harder and longer because INS trying to avoid cases like yours.

Im I right or wrong?
 
Going back to COP is not "Illegal", illegal is a big word for it. I know 2 well respectful members here went to COP to visit ill mother... they had really difficult times with USCIS afterwards... but it was worth it.
so stop accusing people without knowledge.

billyJ, Don't go back to COP unless it is a really emergency case and you are welling to expose you asylum status to danger.
 
Raziel said:
Going back to COP is not "Illegal", illegal is a big word for it. I know 2 well respectful members here went to COP to visit ill mother... they had really difficult times with USCIS afterwards... but it was worth it.
so stop accusing people without knowledge.

billyJ, Don't go back to COP unless it is a really emergency case and you are welling to expose you asylum status to danger.
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Hey im not accusing people who going back for emergency. Where did you found in my words that I was talking about people who's traveling on emergency. Emergency is emergency.
Im talking about people who faking asylum and traveling to COP on vacation like nothing's wrong with that.
 
Uncle Joe said:
People like you claiming asylum status based on lies making lines bigger and don't let people who actually qualify for asylum process their cases on timely manner..
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Uncle Joe said:
Hey im not accusing people who going back for emergency. Where did you found in my words that I was talking about people who's traveling on emergency. Emergency is emergency.
Im talking about people who faking asylum and traveling to COP on vacation like nothing's wrong with that.
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there was nothing indicating that billyJ was going in vacation, maybe it is an emergency....

shouldn't you be sure before using the "people like you" language?
 
You are disrespectful person who is accusing people without any knowledge about there case and situation. Do you think I want to go over there as a TOURIST and have fun??????? risking my life and feelings of people who are close to me? You have NO idea about it and you are dare to blame me about things that I didn't do (I NEVER lied under OATH). WHY DO YOU THINK I AM ASKING ABOUT PASSPORT CHECK? ah??? just for fun?

I know that I am going to be arrested (or disappear forever) in case they check my passport. Otherwise, WHY the hell I care about crossing border?

P.S. I hate stupid and disrespectful people.

Uncle Joe said:
Hey im not accusing people who going back for emergency. Where did you found in my words that I was talking about people who's traveling on emergency. Emergency is emergency.
Im talking about people who faking asylum and traveling to COP on vacation like nothing's wrong with that.
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Raziel said:
there was nothing indicating that billyJ was going in vacation, maybe it is an emergency....

shouldn't you be sure before using the "people like you" language?
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Hey, He was asking about passport check on the border between Russia and Belarussia. So hes going to Russia first then sneaking itno Belarussia his COP. In order to go to your COP legally you have to obtain Advance Parole for Emergency travel, ghe was asking about going though third country.
Why just go directly to Belarussia with Emergency Advance Parole? If it's an emergency not Vacation!!!!

If Immigration and Naturalization Act dosn't mean to you as a Legal Act, as you said before
Going back to COP is not "Illegal", illegal is a big word for it.
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so it means "people like you" reflects to you!
 
Oh man, you are just contradict yourself

Uncle Joe said:
Hey, He was asking about passport check on the border between Russia and Belarussia. So hes going to Russia first then sneaking itno Belarussia his COP.
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If he was claiming asylum based on lies just like you accused him, then he would not be afraid from going directly to COP.

Uncle Joe said:
In order to go to your COP legally you have to obtain Advance Parole for Emergency travel, ghe was asking about going though third country.
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There is no such thing at all... lol... COP AP :D

Uncle Joe said:
so it means "people like you" reflects to you!
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why only me??? you should also include all USCIS officers who approved naturalization applications for asylees went back to COP

Anyway, the language you use reflects your manners, and ignoring you is better than going into endless pointless discussions
 
If he was claiming asylum based on lies just like you accused him, then he would not be afraid from going directly to COP.
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As far as I can see - he is not afraid going over there, he's more afraid of getting COP Stamp in the passport or Travel Document, which will say to IO that he crossed the border line between country 1 and COP.
 
Anyway, the language you use reflects your manners, and ignoring you is better than going into endless pointless discussions
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Did I hurt your feelings? My bad, Im sorry.

I'm trying to give or get a Legal Advice, and sometimes people talking about going around the Law

Hey, I'm just on the right side, my parents raise me like that.
 
THEY DO NOT STAMP PASSPORTS on the Russian/Belorussian border(for Russians and Belorussians)! As far I can see you have no idea what you are talking about. Shame on you.

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Thank you, Raziel!

Uncle Joe, god will judge you, not us. My life was and is still full of problems and pain. I've meet people like you and they have so much hate inside... I do not take personally your words, I am higher than that.

Thank you everyone. TOPIC IS CLOSED
 
billyJ said:
THEY DO NOT STAMP PASSPORTS on the Russian/Belorussian border(for Russians and Belorussians)! As far I can see you have no idea what you are talking about. Shame on you.

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Thank you, Raziel!

Uncle Joe, god will judge you, not us. My life was and is still full of problems and pain. I've meet people like you and they have so much hate inside... I do not take personally your words, I am higher than that.

Thank you everyone. TOPIC IS CLOSED
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Please explain because Im not a Citizen of Russia or Belorussia,

And please don't put God in this discussion.

My life is a full of problems too. You are not the only one.
I'm not hating you at all. We on the same boat.

I came to this country 6 years ago and this country gave me chance to start over again. I left everything I had behind. Everything!!! Im not worrying about my relatives because they leave the country and residing in third countries. But still thousands of dollars stuff left behind. I don't wanna go back and get it, because the FEAR of coming back. I know for sure, im not gonna make further than border control point.
2 years ago I became a Permanent Resident, and I still have a Fear to go. Right now I applied for Naturalization, and If I'll get the U.S Passport Im not planing to go over there anytime soon ether.
I wanna see the place where I grew up, see people I used to know, but it can be my last vacation.

And there are people who's going to COP freely through the third countries, who's trying to avoid to get a stamp of COP so IO wouldn't know.

Do you know the definition of "elephant"? So-called Elephant is when you wearing gas mask for few hours and breathing through the hose with all kind of chemicals that burns your breathing system. Did you know that socks filled with wet sand dosn't leave marks on you body when you got beaten? Just leave a pain. I can continue, but there is no need for that. I went through this. And I don't wanna come back.

And there are people who moved to US and applying for asylum because they wanna better life or people who asking for advice in getting asylum after 9 years illegally living in US and got caught by INS Agents or other law Enforcement.

Back in the days as you know was a limit for adjusting of status to the Permanent Resident based on Asylum, it was caped to 10000 applicants per fiscal year. And you know that INS used to received more than 10 000 application each year. I applied in 2006 right before they removed that cap. And in front of me were more than 120 000 applicants. Do math. I'm saying that because, everybody know that more than half of them were faked asylees. Those folks freely travel to COP on every vacation don't have a fear to be prosecuted, but at the interview they were swearing that have a FEAR of prosecution based on real facts.

Im on the side with those who really need protection, not to just establish residency. I know that people got rejected and was deported back to COP and then end up in jail or cemetery((( Because INS didn't believe in facts that they really got no place to go. Didn't believe because bunch of people faking to be prosecuted(((( That's the true.

And when I see people asking questions like how to "don't get stamp" or discussing what's better RTD or renew NP. RTD for 1 year and NP for 5-10 years I m really starting don't like people like this. There is a Law for everybody. If you asylee you got restrictions by INA regulations. IO let everybody know that you can't go to your COP, if you ever had RTD you know it in the one of the last pages saying that status can be revoked.

If you got my point it's good, if not it's just me, don't pay attention.
But i still have a right to express my opinion my point-of-view.

In my opinion, yes if you lived illegally for certain amount of time, have a home, kids and other signs of life, we need a change the Immigration Law to help those folks get legal status. For example let him pay taxes for those years he lived based on average under-table salary he was getting every week (month), based on property he can afford, etc. I remember it was a post in this thread about guy who got caught by INS and he was asking advice who to apply for asylum.
 
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