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Are PR's being fingerprinted at POE
- Thread starter TPK
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INS Special Registration
I assume you are referring to the new INS Special Registration process. If so, registration is applicable to the following:
- Non-immigrants who are nationals or citizens of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria;
- Non-immigrants who have been designated by the State Department at American embassies or consulates;
- Any other non-immigrant identified by INS officers at airports, seaports and land ports of entry in accordance with 8 CFR 264.1(f)(2).
For more information, check the following link:
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/lawenfor/specialreg/index.htm
I assume you are referring to the new INS Special Registration process. If so, registration is applicable to the following:
- Non-immigrants who are nationals or citizens of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria;
- Non-immigrants who have been designated by the State Department at American embassies or consulates;
- Any other non-immigrant identified by INS officers at airports, seaports and land ports of entry in accordance with 8 CFR 264.1(f)(2).
For more information, check the following link:
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/lawenfor/specialreg/index.htm
I am talking about something different
There was a report in FOx where they mentioned that citizens from a list of 26 countries were being photographed andFP'ed.
BUt the list has not been released by the authorities.
The report showed folks holding GC's being photographed and FP'ed. Some of them appeared Malayans.
I was just curious to know if anyone has had this experience
TPK
There was a report in FOx where they mentioned that citizens from a list of 26 countries were being photographed andFP'ed.
BUt the list has not been released by the authorities.
The report showed folks holding GC's being photographed and FP'ed. Some of them appeared Malayans.
I was just curious to know if anyone has had this experience
TPK
I repeat: the special registration law does not apply to permanent residents, only to nin-immigrant aliens.
The official info on the law and the way it is implemented is available at the INS website:
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/lawenfor/specialreg/index.htm#what
The official info on the law and the way it is implemented is available at the INS website:
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/lawenfor/specialreg/index.htm#what
This may be different than what ur indiacting to
This is over and above special registration or may be different than that. Think about it how many of those monsters of Sep11 were from the countries listed for special registration. My question is based on what I saw in the news. I am trying to prepare myself to what I might face on my return trip from overseas.
TPK
This is over and above special registration or may be different than that. Think about it how many of those monsters of Sep11 were from the countries listed for special registration. My question is based on what I saw in the news. I am trying to prepare myself to what I might face on my return trip from overseas.
TPK
I doubt that there is anything else going on. These things are highly publicized now and we would have heard something from the government. Someone would certainly want to claim political credit.
For example, the special registration program was announced by the White House, by the Attorney General and by the INS. The new rules were published by INS around Sept 11 and there were a lot of news stories about it, both on TV and in the papers.
I do not believe that what you really saw on FOX was people holding green cards being fingerprinted in the airports. The way these news stories are put together is often rather loose: they talk about one thing and show footage of another.
This is particularly true since news reporters have no idea about US immigration laws and do not understand the technical meaning of various legal terms (like immigrant, non-immigrant, visitor, etc).
For example (and this is what most likely happened), they could have shown an immigration control line in an airport. Obviously, every arriving from abroad passanger has to stand in such a line, PR or not, subject to the special registration or not. PRs would naturally be holding their plastic green cards while waiting in such a line.
Some people, namely the non-immigrants who are covered by the new special immigration rules and also have to stand in this line, would be fingerprinted when passing the immigration inspection. Others, like PR holders and the other non-immigrants, would not.
Or they could have even shown a line at some INS office where people bring their PR approval notices for passport stamping and, naturally, get fingerprinted.
The only news stories regarding fingerprinting that I found in the Fox news archive, concern the new special registration program:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,54789,00.html
For example, the special registration program was announced by the White House, by the Attorney General and by the INS. The new rules were published by INS around Sept 11 and there were a lot of news stories about it, both on TV and in the papers.
I do not believe that what you really saw on FOX was people holding green cards being fingerprinted in the airports. The way these news stories are put together is often rather loose: they talk about one thing and show footage of another.
This is particularly true since news reporters have no idea about US immigration laws and do not understand the technical meaning of various legal terms (like immigrant, non-immigrant, visitor, etc).
For example (and this is what most likely happened), they could have shown an immigration control line in an airport. Obviously, every arriving from abroad passanger has to stand in such a line, PR or not, subject to the special registration or not. PRs would naturally be holding their plastic green cards while waiting in such a line.
Some people, namely the non-immigrants who are covered by the new special immigration rules and also have to stand in this line, would be fingerprinted when passing the immigration inspection. Others, like PR holders and the other non-immigrants, would not.
Or they could have even shown a line at some INS office where people bring their PR approval notices for passport stamping and, naturally, get fingerprinted.
The only news stories regarding fingerprinting that I found in the Fox news archive, concern the new special registration program:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,54789,00.html
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tpk
Aren't PR's fingerprinted and the INS has our photographs. Further, we have to fill form AR11 within 10 days of change of address. So in a way we are registered with INS and they are aware of our movements in the country. Now they are doing something similar for people from certain "at risk" countries.
Aren't PR's fingerprinted and the INS has our photographs. Further, we have to fill form AR11 within 10 days of change of address. So in a way we are registered with INS and they are aware of our movements in the country. Now they are doing something similar for people from certain "at risk" countries.
My experience at POE
I had my interview last month at the consulate and came back earlier this month. My POE was Minneapolis.
At the custom, the lady told me to go into the little room to finish my paper work. When I gave my documents to the officer in the room and I was asked to sign a couple of papers and I believe I was finger printed. (Sorry my memory is so vague.)
I am Japanese and there were another lady (she was from China) going through same process and she was finger printed too. So I thought it was done to everybody.
I thought the GC has all the information including fingerprint. Isn't the case for everyone?
I had my interview last month at the consulate and came back earlier this month. My POE was Minneapolis.
At the custom, the lady told me to go into the little room to finish my paper work. When I gave my documents to the officer in the room and I was asked to sign a couple of papers and I believe I was finger printed. (Sorry my memory is so vague.)
I am Japanese and there were another lady (she was from China) going through same process and she was finger printed too. So I thought it was done to everybody.
I thought the GC has all the information including fingerprint. Isn't the case for everyone?
An obvious thing
Q. How do they call the Green Card?
A. Alien Registration Card.
So, what other proof one needs to know that permanent residents have to be registered. Some will do it at the local INS office, and it seems consular process people do it at the port of entry, but it seems obvious to me that all permanent residents are registered, and then tracked through the AR-11.
My 2 cents.
Q. How do they call the Green Card?
A. Alien Registration Card.
So, what other proof one needs to know that permanent residents have to be registered. Some will do it at the local INS office, and it seems consular process people do it at the port of entry, but it seems obvious to me that all permanent residents are registered, and then tracked through the AR-11.
My 2 cents.
GCDreamer2000
Registered Users (C)
The only fingerprint taken at the POE during IV processing is the right index fingerprint -- not a complete set.
Citizens of some some countries (like me from Canada) may get their fingerprints done for their police certificate (criminal record check), but that's hardly universal (even for Canada, since those who are residing in Canada at the time of the IV interview only need to get a name check based police certificate from Canada). And of course, you can't get a PC from many other countries.
Citizens of some some countries (like me from Canada) may get their fingerprints done for their police certificate (criminal record check), but that's hardly universal (even for Canada, since those who are residing in Canada at the time of the IV interview only need to get a name check based police certificate from Canada). And of course, you can't get a PC from many other countries.
Hi JoeF,
My card also says "permanent resident card", but there are quite a few places on the INS website were they still name it Alien Registration Card.
I am sure you saw my point is that there is an obligation for permanent residents to be registered. The only difference now is that the government also wants to register non-immigrants, which were normally exempt as the (c) item on 262 says.
And here is some relevant law:
Sec. 262. [8 U.S.C. 1302]
(a) It shall be the duty of every alien now or hereafter in the United States, who (1) is fourteen years of age or older, (2) has not been registered
and fingerprinted under section 221(b) of this Act or section 30 or 31 of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, and (3) remains in the United States for
thirty days or longer, to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted before the expiration of such thirty days.
(b) It shall be the duty of every parent or legal guardian of any alien now or hereafter in the United States, who (1) is less than fourteen years of
age, (2) has not been registered under section 221(b) of this Act or section 30 or 31 of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, and (3) remains in the
United States for thirty days or longer, to apply for the registration of such alien before the expiration of such thirty days. Whenever any alien
attains his fourteenth birthday in the United States he shall, within thirty days thereafter, apply in person for registration and to be fingerprinted.
(c) The Attorney General may, in his discretion and on the basis of reciprocity pursuant to such regulations as he may prescribe, waive the
requirement of fingerprinting specified in subsections (a) and (b) in the case of any nonimmigrant.
And this is the 221(b) mentioned.
(b) Each alien who applies for a visa shall be registered in connection with his application, and shall furnish copies of his photograph signed by
him for such use as may be by regulations required. The requirements of this subsection may be waived in the discretion of the Secretary of State
in the case of any alien who is within that class of nonimmigrants enumerated in sections 101(a)(15)(A), and 101(a)(15)(G), or in the case of any
alien who is granted a diplomatic visa on a diplomatic passport or on the equivalent thereof.
And, I think this is very relevant for the GC (I mean, that as far as I can say, the plastic GC falls under this category).
Sec. 264. [8 U.S.C. 1304]
d) Every alien in the United States who has been registered and fingerprinted under the provisions of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, or under
the provisions of this Act shall be issued a certificate of alien registration or an alien registration receipt card in such form and manner and at
such time as shall be prescribed under regulations issued by the Attorney General.
My 2 cents.
My card also says "permanent resident card", but there are quite a few places on the INS website were they still name it Alien Registration Card.
I am sure you saw my point is that there is an obligation for permanent residents to be registered. The only difference now is that the government also wants to register non-immigrants, which were normally exempt as the (c) item on 262 says.
And here is some relevant law:
Sec. 262. [8 U.S.C. 1302]
(a) It shall be the duty of every alien now or hereafter in the United States, who (1) is fourteen years of age or older, (2) has not been registered
and fingerprinted under section 221(b) of this Act or section 30 or 31 of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, and (3) remains in the United States for
thirty days or longer, to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted before the expiration of such thirty days.
(b) It shall be the duty of every parent or legal guardian of any alien now or hereafter in the United States, who (1) is less than fourteen years of
age, (2) has not been registered under section 221(b) of this Act or section 30 or 31 of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, and (3) remains in the
United States for thirty days or longer, to apply for the registration of such alien before the expiration of such thirty days. Whenever any alien
attains his fourteenth birthday in the United States he shall, within thirty days thereafter, apply in person for registration and to be fingerprinted.
(c) The Attorney General may, in his discretion and on the basis of reciprocity pursuant to such regulations as he may prescribe, waive the
requirement of fingerprinting specified in subsections (a) and (b) in the case of any nonimmigrant.
And this is the 221(b) mentioned.
(b) Each alien who applies for a visa shall be registered in connection with his application, and shall furnish copies of his photograph signed by
him for such use as may be by regulations required. The requirements of this subsection may be waived in the discretion of the Secretary of State
in the case of any alien who is within that class of nonimmigrants enumerated in sections 101(a)(15)(A), and 101(a)(15)(G), or in the case of any
alien who is granted a diplomatic visa on a diplomatic passport or on the equivalent thereof.
And, I think this is very relevant for the GC (I mean, that as far as I can say, the plastic GC falls under this category).
Sec. 264. [8 U.S.C. 1304]
d) Every alien in the United States who has been registered and fingerprinted under the provisions of the Alien Registration Act, 1940, or under
the provisions of this Act shall be issued a certificate of alien registration or an alien registration receipt card in such form and manner and at
such time as shall be prescribed under regulations issued by the Attorney General.
My 2 cents.