Are illegals before Dec 2000 covered under 245(i)
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TheInquisitor
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it wasn't an amnesty. and anyone that says it was has no brain or any wisdom.
common sense.
Please use all your brain and wisdom to defend allowances for the violators of the law. The last time I checked if I run a red light, I get a ticket. If you want to get GC stand in the legal line and any allowance given to people who don't give squat to the law is amnesty. You may sugar coat it any way you want but that's the bottomline. Unfortunately the legals have to piggyback on the CIR for relief.
Please use all your brain and wisdom to defend allowances for the violators of the law. The last time I checked if I run a red light, I get a ticket. If you want to get GC stand in the legal line and any allowance given to people who don't give squat to the law is amnesty. You may sugar coat it any way you want but that's the bottomline. Unfortunately the legals have to piggyback on the CIR for relief.
PHSESAaug you are right, sorry TheInquisitor
That's the main reason I oppose CIR. This country has been good to me and I don't want the citizenry of this country to put up with lawbreakers. I do understand the illegals here are here for a better life and not for any other illegal activities. But the travesty is that the politicians are using them for their own ends and finally the citizenry of this country are the ones getting screwed up.
That's the main reason I oppose CIR. This country has been good to me and I don't want the citizenry of this country to put up with lawbreakers. I do understand the illegals here are here for a better life and not for any other illegal activities. But the travesty is that the politicians are using them for their own ends and finally the citizenry of this country are the ones getting screwed up.
TheInquisitor
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i stand by my posting. and likei told marlon, watch your back with the friends you are getting. you guys don't understamd what 245i is. so i won't even waste my time with people like you. get a clue and a life.
since you claim to know everything about 245(i).
Here is an extract from USCIS. Now is there anything in here that sounds legal to you? It's a shame that the law breakers are given an amnesty and people like you have no shame in claiming the process is not an amnesty. Inquisitor I sincerely hope will you shut up now.
You might need section 245(i) if you:
Entered the U.S. without being inspected by an Immigration official.
Stayed in the U.S. longer than allowed by Immigration.
Entered the U.S. as a worker on an aircraft or ship (crewman).
Entered the U.S. as a “Transit Without Visa.”
Failed to continuously maintain a lawful status since your entry into the US.
Worked in the U.S. without Immigration permission.
Entered as an “S” nonimmigrant (relates to witnesses about criminal or terrorism matters).
Are seeking a work-related visa and are out of status at the time of filing the application to adjust status (Form I-485).
Worked in the U.S. while being an “unauthorized alien.”
Here is an extract from USCIS. Now is there anything in here that sounds legal to you? It's a shame that the law breakers are given an amnesty and people like you have no shame in claiming the process is not an amnesty. Inquisitor I sincerely hope will you shut up now.
You might need section 245(i) if you:
Entered the U.S. without being inspected by an Immigration official.
Stayed in the U.S. longer than allowed by Immigration.
Entered the U.S. as a worker on an aircraft or ship (crewman).
Entered the U.S. as a “Transit Without Visa.”
Failed to continuously maintain a lawful status since your entry into the US.
Worked in the U.S. without Immigration permission.
Entered as an “S” nonimmigrant (relates to witnesses about criminal or terrorism matters).
Are seeking a work-related visa and are out of status at the time of filing the application to adjust status (Form I-485).
Worked in the U.S. while being an “unauthorized alien.”
TheInquisitor
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tell me, since you are a person of such deep thought and thinking. explain what 245i did and why it was needed. i won't hold my breath in you telling the truth for once, but i will see your disgraceful attempts at it. sad to see that epople like you that know very little have soomuch power. a true shame indeed. truly i tell you. a true shame. disgraceful if you ask me.
Nobody will have any problem with 245(i) if all the illegals who may be benifitted are at the end of the legal immigration line.
There is no point in arguing because the clinton government did a mistake and treated legals and illegals equally or in fact the precedence is given to those who are illegals through 245(i) by sharing the same quota.
Dont know how its gonna be corrected and who will correct it.
Good Luck to all.
There is no point in arguing because the clinton government did a mistake and treated legals and illegals equally or in fact the precedence is given to those who are illegals through 245(i) by sharing the same quota.
Dont know how its gonna be corrected and who will correct it.
Good Luck to all.
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marlon2006
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TheInquisitor, come on, there is no need to play buzzwords among us in this forum. 245(i) was an amnesty. There is no need to be so afraid of that "A..." word. Relax.
http://www.reformpartyct.org/amnesty031202.html
http://www.reformpartyct.org/amnesty031202.html
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This guy Inquisitor accused me of not knowing anything about 245(i), which is was a ridiculous accusation in the first place. I then referred an extract on 245(i) from the USCIS website and the guy posts get even more meaningless Just read his posts, I don't think it's sane to discuss anything further with the guy as he is not interested in any reasonable discussion. 245(i) is amnesty, period.
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TheInquisitor
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you must remember that for people like phse, anything short of rounding up 12 million people and put them on a train and have people outside waving american flags and eating hot dogs and apple pie as they sign "God bless america," is an amnesty.
very few illegals would sign up for a program that gives them status for one year. after one year immigration comes in the middle of the night and deports them. that my friends is considered amnesty by genious people like marlon and phse.
do you know that if those that came here illegally marry a citizen can't even put in an application? that they must go back for one year? and that after one year there is the posibility that they won't be able to come in for another nine? do you guys know that? of course you didn't. i don't expect you to.
245i allowed people to get online if they had a petitioner. some waited a few years, others have to wait another 10. they could be deported at any time and they have no legal status. they can't work or get a license as they wait. so in a very liberal sense, it might be an amnesty. but in the real world with real brains, it isn't.
very few illegals would sign up for a program that gives them status for one year. after one year immigration comes in the middle of the night and deports them. that my friends is considered amnesty by genious people like marlon and phse.
do you know that if those that came here illegally marry a citizen can't even put in an application? that they must go back for one year? and that after one year there is the posibility that they won't be able to come in for another nine? do you guys know that? of course you didn't. i don't expect you to.
245i allowed people to get online if they had a petitioner. some waited a few years, others have to wait another 10. they could be deported at any time and they have no legal status. they can't work or get a license as they wait. so in a very liberal sense, it might be an amnesty. but in the real world with real brains, it isn't.
you may disagree but it's completely meaningless discussion from logical point of view if you just look at the leagal definition of amnesty it isTheInquisitor said:
the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals
When opinion is based on emotions, and i'm not trying to say it's not acceptable but any arguing will be very subjective also making this meaningless...
TheInquisitor
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it isn't except in the most liberal sense. and so what if is? let's have everything on the table. let's not tell an american citizen that she will be without her husband while she gives birth because her husband has to leave for one year. yeah, let's do that. brilliant.
why even bother inquisitor
Are they kicking out the spouses of US citizens just because they want to have some fun? NO - because these morons are law breakers in the first place. You are talking about pity, how about showing some pity for thousands of spouses, sons and daughters who are waiting in their home countries like India, China, Phillipines for nearly 5 - 10 years to join their families in the US abiding by the US laws. These are the people who should be rewarded. Not some moronic law breakers. By your logic why bother even having border patrol, EB, FB green cards. They should announce a program whereby anyone can sneak in illegally and marry a US citizen and claim a green card as a birth right. May be they should name that program as "The Inqusitor law breaker lottery" in your honor.
If you had any sense of ethics or morality Inquisitor, you would stop defending law breakers. How about feeling some pity for thousands of innocents who are following the law of this country even before offered GC/Citizenship - they are the model citizens this country needs, not lawbreakers.
Are they kicking out the spouses of US citizens just because they want to have some fun? NO - because these morons are law breakers in the first place. You are talking about pity, how about showing some pity for thousands of spouses, sons and daughters who are waiting in their home countries like India, China, Phillipines for nearly 5 - 10 years to join their families in the US abiding by the US laws. These are the people who should be rewarded. Not some moronic law breakers. By your logic why bother even having border patrol, EB, FB green cards. They should announce a program whereby anyone can sneak in illegally and marry a US citizen and claim a green card as a birth right. May be they should name that program as "The Inqusitor law breaker lottery" in your honor.
If you had any sense of ethics or morality Inquisitor, you would stop defending law breakers. How about feeling some pity for thousands of innocents who are following the law of this country even before offered GC/Citizenship - they are the model citizens this country needs, not lawbreakers.
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TheInquisitor
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you such a pathetic person that i won't even consider your last part. go get a life and a clue on the issue. and soo such a moronic (just like marlon), that you are making friends withthe enemy. go see if your boy tancredo would do anyhting about the india or china situation? he wnats to close the door genious. boy you are soo stupid. remmeber, once the last train leaves witht he last ilelag and you stop eating that hot dog, they wil then take you and put you on a train. i don't care if you have some fancy degree from some fancy school, you are still a moron and need to get a clue on the issue. you are truly a pathetic person.
so at the end of the day these "morons" who are now married to us citizens be stay just that, morons. and correct if i am wrong, but aren't US citizens more important than Indians? shouldn't a US citizen have a spouse or parent? so what happens when the US citizen is the only real breadwinner? what happens when the illegal can't work? many have to then go on welfare. why? the husband can't work. i am sorry, a US citizen is more important than an idian who is waiting. i want to help the india. i am not like tancredo.
so yes, let's separate families. perhaps you have enough brain cells for this deal. let's make a deal where we go back to the old policy. people pay a fine or leave the country for one year before they get their visa. or can we at least have people be abel tot come back after one year? can we at least agree on that? i know what you wil lsay. but i just want confirmation. you sicken me.
so at the end of the day these "morons" who are now married to us citizens be stay just that, morons. and correct if i am wrong, but aren't US citizens more important than Indians? shouldn't a US citizen have a spouse or parent? so what happens when the US citizen is the only real breadwinner? what happens when the illegal can't work? many have to then go on welfare. why? the husband can't work. i am sorry, a US citizen is more important than an idian who is waiting. i want to help the india. i am not like tancredo.
so yes, let's separate families. perhaps you have enough brain cells for this deal. let's make a deal where we go back to the old policy. people pay a fine or leave the country for one year before they get their visa. or can we at least have people be abel tot come back after one year? can we at least agree on that? i know what you wil lsay. but i just want confirmation. you sicken me.
make some sense, please
Inquisitor, Stop trying to pit Tancredo against me. I won't fall for that. I don't agree with all of Tancredo's views but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to express his views. That's call freedom of speech my dear friend - ever heard of that? While you are at it, stop bothering about my degree you called it a fancy degree. You don't know my degree and my degree is is none of your business anyway. This discussion is about whether we need to support or oppose the Inquisitor law breaker lottery. Stop fighting with me and Marlon personally. Get it? Given your history we doubt if anything meaningful and relevant will come out of your mouth.
If this country passes a law, all of the legal immigrants will follow it. We don't have to agree with a law to follow it - that's why it's called Law. Trying to teach you these basics is like coaching a 3 year old about right and wrong.
Let's have a poll in this forum to choose 'only one' out of the following 2 scenarios.
1) Should we accomodate through amnesty an illegal who broke the law of the country and brought upon the consequences on himself.
or
2) Do we pity the thousands of spouses, brothers, sisters of US citizens who are waiting in their home country for a decade or so to join them here. Same goes for the EB applicants who follow the rules of the game.
We all know where you stand don't we - for the inquistor law breaker lottery. Though I can't speak for the people of this forum, I have a fair idea where most of them stand. Answer the following using your best moral and ethical standards, if you even have any
1) Are you suggesting crossing the border of this country illegally should go unpunished?
2) If you support illegal border crossing, where would you stop? Can we extend your inquistory law breaker lottery/amnesty program to anyone who runs a red light?
It is the duty of an elected government to form and implement the laws and it's the duty of we the people to follow those laws. Ever read a subject called civics in School Inquisitor?
Inquisitor, Stop trying to pit Tancredo against me. I won't fall for that. I don't agree with all of Tancredo's views but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to express his views. That's call freedom of speech my dear friend - ever heard of that? While you are at it, stop bothering about my degree you called it a fancy degree. You don't know my degree and my degree is is none of your business anyway. This discussion is about whether we need to support or oppose the Inquisitor law breaker lottery. Stop fighting with me and Marlon personally. Get it? Given your history we doubt if anything meaningful and relevant will come out of your mouth.
If this country passes a law, all of the legal immigrants will follow it. We don't have to agree with a law to follow it - that's why it's called Law. Trying to teach you these basics is like coaching a 3 year old about right and wrong.
Let's have a poll in this forum to choose 'only one' out of the following 2 scenarios.
1) Should we accomodate through amnesty an illegal who broke the law of the country and brought upon the consequences on himself.
or
2) Do we pity the thousands of spouses, brothers, sisters of US citizens who are waiting in their home country for a decade or so to join them here. Same goes for the EB applicants who follow the rules of the game.
We all know where you stand don't we - for the inquistor law breaker lottery. Though I can't speak for the people of this forum, I have a fair idea where most of them stand. Answer the following using your best moral and ethical standards, if you even have any
1) Are you suggesting crossing the border of this country illegally should go unpunished?
2) If you support illegal border crossing, where would you stop? Can we extend your inquistory law breaker lottery/amnesty program to anyone who runs a red light?
It is the duty of an elected government to form and implement the laws and it's the duty of we the people to follow those laws. Ever read a subject called civics in School Inquisitor?
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