An idea to help retro victims

[immi2006]

An idea to help retro victims
While we all agree - GC given by country quota is not good,

why cant we ask our senators and SJC folks to focus and make somethign like this : if GC is based on country Quota, then H1s too need to be done in the same manner, so that the flow is regulated and predictable.

Atleast asking Sentators to focus on the Quota Business (to make it H1 based on country cap like GC) may be good for Retro folks as fewer applications will pile up from the new H1 folks, this will help the ease of congestion. (also this would sound like music to their ears, since it helps to reduce the inflow que of job seekers) in general

In addition : If you also notice, the fresh h1 folks who are coming here in the last 1/2 years are not so attracted by this system, they get paid back in india (some of them like infosys, satyam, wipro), the rest just go back as salary is almost comparable to US.

I agree - Business houses will oppose this. But this quota system for H1B, based on country would take off, from the Govt point of view possibly as they would expect fewer subject matter experts from countries besides India, China. For instance, if the cap is 65K, 7 % would mean 4K from India and China, so 65k - 8 K would be 57 K from ROW, I am pretty sure that number of people may not come in, and this would also help the congested system for India and China folks. Some thoughts. !


-------- On a congested system if the DOL officials process fewere PERM and 140 apps, perhaps they would have time to clear the backlog stuff too... ------ This way, we can request the Govt that those who are on h1 would be subjected to the same rules as GC issuance.

 

[tusharvk]

quite amusing idea.

but the point missed is GC is immigrant visa and the US wants to maintain diversity and hence, the per country quotas.
other categories (h1, f1, etc.) are non-immigrant visas (although some allow dual-intent); hence, there is no per country quota.

It would be interesting to understand how far such per-country quotas help this country maintain its diversity.

a better idea is to go for the points-based system similar to canada/UK. This is unlikely to materialize in time to help the current retro victims.

An idea to help retro victims
While we all agree - GC given by country quota is not good,

why cant we ask our senators and SJC folks to focus and make somethign like this : if GC is based on country Quota, then H1s too need to be done in the same manner, so that the flow is regulated and predictable.

Atleast asking Sentators to focus on the Quota Business (to make it H1 based on country cap like GC) may be good for Retro folks as fewer applications will pile up from the new H1 folks, this will help the ease of congestion. (also this would sound like music to their ears, since it helps to reduce the inflow que of job seekers) in general

In addition : If you also notice, the fresh h1 folks who are coming here in the last 1/2 years are not so attracted by this system, they get paid back in india (some of them like infosys, satyam, wipro), the rest just go back as salary is almost comparable to US.

I agree - Business houses will oppose this. But this quota system for H1B, based on country would take off, from the Govt point of view possibly as they would expect fewer subject matter experts from countries besides India, China. For instance, if the cap is 65K, 7 % would mean 4K from India and China, so 65k - 8 K would be 57 K from ROW, I am pretty sure that number of people may not come in, and this would also help the congested system for India and China folks. Some thoughts. !


-------- On a congested system if the DOL officials process fewere PERM and 140 apps, perhaps they would have time to clear the backlog stuff too... ------ This way, we can request the Govt that those who are on h1 would be subjected to the same rules as GC issuance.

 

[puerthoughts]

I think the porblem is that immigration system wants to keep the diversity and the capitalist market wants to get more and more workers. I think only one force should drive the judgement so people like us do not get screwed. If the capitalists wants skillful people to help their business grow then they should lobby to get these skillful workers to stay here. I know it sounds that both the philosophies will keep everything in check so they will get skilled people and they can manage the diversity at the same time. But they are missing a very big point. The creame of such skilled people will not wait for 8-9 years to get the GC and they will leave to the Canada and other countries. I mean you can easily say that America will be helped much more bby having 30% indians then 2% of the population from all the countries !!!

I can say this caz i am an indian. Please remember that this post is biased and should not be considered as a statement, it is just a wishful thinking.

Any commnets ?

 

[GCdreamer2006]

The truth is that not many countries are posing a viable alternative to foreigners. America is taking advantage of this monopoly and simply taking their time and let us suffer and dry like sardines in the sun. I don't see that situation changing in the next 4+ years. By then many of us will be grandpa. Just read on immigratinvoice.org what people who got tired of GC and immigrated to UK have to say. It seems that most people miss the US and regret the decision. Canada is not a good option for most of us either. I know that because I lived there. We talk a lot about going to Canada, etc but I want to see how many percent will actually do it upon getting the Canadian permanent residency paperwork. Just talked to a friend yesterday from India, who is currently working here in Seattle from a major company and now got a job/transfer offer from the same company in Germany. He refused because you know in many places in Europe, outsiders are not as welcome as we are in the US.

We have been exposed to a severe punishment and our hands are tight.

I think the porblem is that immigration system wants to keep the diversity and the capitalist market wants to get more and more workers. I think only one force should drive the judgement so people like us do not get screwed. If the capitalists wants skillful people to help their business grow then they should lobby to get these skillful workers to stay here. I know it sounds that both the philosophies will keep everything in check so they will get skilled people and they can manage the diversity at the same time. But they are missing a very big point. The creame of such skilled people will not wait for 8-9 years to get the GC and they will leave to the Canada and other countries. I mean you can easily say that America will be helped much more bby having 30% indians then 2% of the population from all the countries !!!

I can say this caz i am an indian. Please remember that this post is biased and should not be considered as a statement, it is just a wishful thinking.

Any commnets ?

 

[pa_arora]

immi2006,

The concept of H1 and GC is not connected, we in our minds have tied it together.

H1 is "Temporary Work Visa"..please understand this. They dont want ppl to stay here after 6 years in US. GC is the way (loop-hole) to get the PR while one is here.

SO to say they don't want ppl to stay here after 6 years they can get other ppl after one is gone back or one is out of US.

Think about this.

-p

 

[puerthoughts]

Hi P,

I think you are talking in the technical legal terms here. If you see clearly the concept is connected very well. H1 is a non-immigrant visa but with proper procedure you can be a legal immigrant from the H1. If USCIS really wanted to keep the H1 as a 6 year thing then there will not be any procedure for an H1 holder to get the GC. So the existence of a lawful procedure tells loudly that US wants to give GC to H1 ppl. Then why they do not give it directly ? It is the filter to remove the bad apples. They want to make sure that a person getting GC is here for atleast 5 years and the job is there for him. Since we are here for more than 5 years, we understand the culture etc.

That is the main reason why i like the immigration process in USA, at least the design of it. In Canada you get the GC without even living there and that will get all the useless people there since they have to find a job once they go in there. That will create lower life style and more burden on the job market.

I think there is lot of improvement needed in the execution of the USA immigration process but the design is very good.