Almost all are winners except EB3 India with PD later than 22APR2001

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EB3 INDIA appear cursed, victimized and unlucky.

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Saras had earlier pointed out that when each India category has only 2800(1400 actually) visa numbers why India eb3 did not go unavailable like India eb2.

These are my reasons,

India eb2 going unavalable was an unexpected act as far as uscis is concerned, They just moved PDs 6 months at a time and consumed all the numbers last year. Look at how uscus started moving India eb2 now a days(only by a week). This could be because of the lessons they learnt from 2006. Where as India eb3 was already retrogressed by the beginning of 2006 and they had their home work done already. I am thinking that there are just too many India eb3 at USCIS around April 2001.

Making any category as unavailable is the last thing as far as uscis becuase that will amount to public announcement of bad news. We should know to get the bad news indirectly. uscis would never let us know the bad news, nor does any law firm. Because that will allow us to make decision, try to get promotion in your company you would pretty much experience the same, wait, wait, wait.... and then usually get the bad news. Until that time just keep us in the dark. November 2005 uscis made a mistake as far as announcing the visa limits. Look at this year they are doing pretty much the samething as far as the movements are concerned but they didn't announce.

Well, making eb3 stall at April 2001 is almost like making it unavailable anyway. Atleast after last year's experince we should consider. IMHO, 1400 India eb3 visas are hardly enough for six months s/w engineers leave about other 245i complications.

Unless uscis themselves think that the game real bad for their image or corporates lobby for change it will be like that. Corporates have learnt to outsource eb3 professional work to India (please no offense to eb3, for that matter even eb2), I doubt they would lobby.
 
Personally I think there are that much numbers available each year. and there are huge numbers to apply. Even things are straight, even we know everything happening in uscis, there will still be retrogress. No game or has game in the government agency is not the real point. :mad:
 
Yes .. maybe ..

indian_gc_ocean said:
Saras had earlier pointed out that when each India category has only 2800(1400 actually) visa numbers why India eb3 did not go unavailable like India eb2.

These are my reasons,

India eb2 going unavalable was an unexpected act as far as uscis is concerned, They just moved PDs 6 months at a time and consumed all the numbers last year. Look at how uscus started moving India eb2 now a days(only by a week). This could be because of the lessons they learnt from 2006. Where as India eb3 was already retrogressed by the beginning of 2006 and they had their home work done already. I am thinking that there are just too many India eb3 at USCIS around April 2001.

Making any category as unavailable is the last thing as far as uscis becuase that will amount to public announcement of bad news. We should know to get the bad news indirectly. uscis would never let us know the bad news, nor does any law firm. Because that will allow us to make decision, try to get promotion in your company you would pretty much experience the same, wait, wait, wait.... and then usually get the bad news. Until that time just keep us in the dark. November 2005 uscis made a mistake as far as announcing the visa limits. Look at this year they are doing pretty much the samething as far as the movements are concerned but they didn't announce.

Well, making eb3 stall at April 2001 is almost like making it unavailable anyway. Atleast after last year's experince we should consider. IMHO, 1400 India eb3 visas are hardly enough for six months s/w engineers leave about other 245i complications.

Unless uscis themselves think that the game real bad for their image or corporates lobby for change it will be like that. Corporates have learnt to outsource eb3 professional work to India (please no offense to eb3, for that matter even eb2), I doubt they would lobby.
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indian_gc_ocean,

I am still a little skeptical here but your explaination makes sense. However I doubt that USCIS will keep a category available even after all 1400 visas have been used up. My assertion is simple, I don't believe there are to many non-245is from India prior to April 30th 2001. The whole problem is being caused by 245is. The problem with the 245is is that there is no telling exactly how many are already in the pipe (as in those that have made it to the 140 stage) and how many are still in the BECs. There is also no telling exactly how many of the 300K labor apps stuck in BEC (I believe the number has now been reduced to about 170K) are going to make it to 140. There is also no way to tell what the countries these 140s are going to be under so this uncertainty will last atleast till the BECs complete their backlog reductions and go thru each and every pending labor app.

It is an established fact that until EB ROW becomes current India will only get 2800 (1400 primary applicants) but the future depends on a lot of unknown variables. Things can get better or worse depending on the number and nationality of 245is and the number of labors that eventually make it to the 140 stage.

Whenever I have brought up this point people have claimed that there are thousands of pending 140 cases and the DOS is establishing the dates based on the number of pending 140s. So are we saying that there are about 300K cases still stuck in the BECs and there are thousands of 140s pending. I have a hard time beliving that but if that is true then the situation will get even worse.

As for corporations, it is obvious that there isn't a great push for the EB3 category. It makes sense to me. The EB3 category is the lowest one for professionals and a lot of those jobs are being outsourced. This whole situation would change in a heart beat if US interests were deemed to be at stake.

Anyway, things will clear themselves out within the next few years. The biggest step will be the succssful completion of the BEC backlog reduction effort. Until then there will always be the cloud of uncertainty on any and every projection/analysis.

PS - Pain Card, if you care to read. I shortened my signature. The only reason my signature was so long was because I kept track of all my cases through my signature. I did see your point about wasting space so I reduced it and saved the detailed signature on my hard drive.

As for everyone else, I am still sincerely accepting everyones sympathy :) :)

saras
 
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Facts About Govt Procedures

Guys

Working with Government agencies from last 6+ years....I know one thing for sure....workers at GOVT agencies dont really play games. All they do is follow the guidelines and make decisions based on the guidelines.

There are couple of reasons behind this...

(1) Officers who are in charge of VB calculation, have certain format and they fill in the #### and based on the results they publish the visa bulletin....

(2) No one can officially tell the officer in charge of visa publication to manipulate the dates.....

(3) They only play with the rules thats all....no thinking India is more or less or ROW is more or less.....

The exact science of Visa Bulletin calculation is not known to anyone....it will be better if research is done on that on google or some other sites and share the info with other on the portal....
 
pallu2004 said:
Guys

Working with Government agencies from last 6+ years....I know one thing for sure....workers at GOVT agencies dont really play games. All they do is follow the guidelines and make decisions based on the guidelines.

There are couple of reasons behind this...

(1) Officers who are in charge of VB calculation, have certain format and they fill in the #### and based on the results they publish the visa bulletin....

(2) No one can officially tell the officer in charge of visa publication to manipulate the dates.....

(3) They only play with the rules thats all....no thinking India is more or less or ROW is more or less.....

The exact science of Visa Bulletin calculation is not known to anyone....it will be better if research is done on that on google or some other sites and share the info with other on the portal....
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That is the problem we are facing now. I completely agree with with idea that a govt. officer does not really see the nationality etc... One of my points was that recently there is certain manual intervention of otherwise automatic process. It could be in adjudicating the case and/or in extra PR work that goes in to the published content in the bulletins... I am thinking this is because of the limit visa number availability.

Here is how the system works as posted by one other member; (How visa number works Parts 1-V)
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=210310&page=6
 
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