2nd FP and RFE

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skjun02

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What is the relation and sequence of 2nd Fp and RFE?

Is 2nd FP notice an automated process or a manual detection and notification process? If it is automated, then why do not we get the notice when the 1st one expires? (I and my wife had 1st FP done on same day. But, the 2nd FP notices came for us differently and are scheduled on different days). This allows me to guess that it may be a manual process. Some one goes through the stuff, sees a bunch having expired FPs and sends notification. (In this case too, do they not combine the primary and dependent cases?)

If it is a manual process, when they look at the file for expired FP, why do not they also look for possible RFEs? Do they wait again till the FPs are done, reopen the file for possible RFEs, send RFEs (may be one RFE at a time leading to multiple RFEs sent in batches rather than at the same time). Why can not they send the 2nd FP and RFE at the same time? You get the 2nd FP, do it, wait again for RFE and wait and wait....

I am just trying to understand the sequence (If there is one). Any suggestions are highly appreciated.

-sk

RD: ?? JUN02
ND: 25 JUN 02
1st FP: 16 AUG 02
2nd FP: 17 JUN 04 (scheduled for self)
29 JUN 04 (scheduled for wife)
 
Before you doubt whether the 2nd FP notice generation is automatic or manual, you should first understand whether FP expiry triggers from the date of FP done or FP cleared or from the date when FP were recieved by USCIS. In case you and your wife have done FP on the same date, but USCIS recieved results of different dates..., if my later point was correct, then FP expire on two differnt dates for each of you. This is a gray area, I tried to collect statistics on FP done date, USCIS recieved date and 2nd FP generation date, I could not get enough information. Let me start a new thread and ask people to post information.
 
This is what I think:

1. At the time of adjudication the FPs have to be current.
2. Once they decide to adjudicate applications for particular month(s), they check whether FPs are current. If not 2nd FP notices are sent.
3. IF FPs are current, then, if required, RFE are sent.
4. If RFEs are replied before FP expiry, and if the files are touched in time, you can get decision before 2nd FP.
 
The way INS send notification for 2nd FP, it is very difficult to say there is an automated process. There is no easy answer when FP expires, even though FBI (as in most of the cases) return the results on the same day. In most of the cases it is usually 2-3 months or more delay after 15 months.In my case, we got our 2nd FP notices on different dates, but we went ahead and did our FP on the same day. The lady (INS) at the local service center, who did our FP, surprised of our different FP dates. As per her, both of us should be scheduled on same day.

On RFE, I totally agree with you, they should send both 2nd FP and RFE at same time. But the pattern is they are sending once the 2nd FP results are updated in INS system (not when FBI sends), normally it 2 months or more, if one observes the rupnet data.

Oct/Nov/Dec '02 cases are mostly RFE'ed, b'coz 1st FP is not expired or about to be expired. BUt I doubt INS will approve most of those cases, after receiving the RFE without sending the 2nd FP.
 
Also, on that topic. Why they ask us to physically repeat FP.They have the old sheet and they can repeat the check.
Just womdering. :confused:
 
This has been asked before. I believe the answer is they don't keep the original prints.

algizawi said:
Also, on that topic. Why they ask us to physically repeat FP.They have the old sheet and they can repeat the check.
Just womdering. :confused:
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here is my case.....

Jagabalia,
Our case's ND is 1/9/2003, and we did FP1 in 2/22/2003. USCIS office I called in to said they have my finger prints, however cannot confirm / deny they are following the path you described. She did not know if they approve cases when they are close to FP expiration. The only thing she kept repeating is that "we are still processing 12/01 cases, you need to wait until your case is approved".
 
Here is my theory:

Here is my theory:
FP receipts are not generated automatically but issued by contractors who check the appl. packages before they are forwarded to a case officer. Contractors don’t have the authority to rule on the case if an RFE is required.
I-485 ND: July 02
FP 1: August 02
FP2: April 04
Online message is same as day one.
 
But why do we get RFE before second FP then?

BNB02 said:
Here is my theory:
FP receipts are not generated automatically but issued by contractors who check the appl. packages before they are forwarded to a case officer. Contractors don’t have the authority to rule on the case if an RFE is required.
I-485 ND: July 02
FP 1: August 02
FP2: April 04
Online message is same as day one.
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Sadly though BCIS 1800 number doesn't answer many questions asked in this forum regarding 1485 case. The reason I guess they are not authorised to see in detail on a perticular case, other than answers like "we are processing...". You still can ask them to connect to tier-2 BCIS staff to get more insight into your case.

My assumption/interpretation is purely based on rupnet data.

gvaknin said:
Jagabalia,
Our case's ND is 1/9/2003, and we did FP1 in 2/22/2003. USCIS office I called in to said they have my finger prints, however cannot confirm / deny they are following the path you described. She did not know if they approve cases when they are close to FP expiration. The only thing she kept repeating is that "we are still processing 12/01 cases, you need to wait until your case is approved".
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hidden_dragon,
You need to consider how long it takes for a file to reach to case officer after initial review by contractors. Those cases that received RFE before FP2 were probably current for FP during initial review. Again this's only a theory.
hidden_dragon said:
But why do we get RFE before second FP then?
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