Please help, name chane

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sreeleshk

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can you help me out guys,

S**************** is my first name
A**************** is my dad's name
K**************** is my last name

for all my life i have been known as S************ A*************** , my college/school certificates show that

sppose my name in the birth certificate appears as
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

name : S**************
son of (father's name) : A*************
house name : K*************

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
on my passport its as

surname : K************** A*************
given name : S**************

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

on my GC its as
K*********** , A************ S just the first letter of my first name

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

SS Card

S********** K A************* the first letter of my last name (middle initial) and the spelling of my dad's name is mispelled by a letter

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

re-enty permit

surname : K***************
given name : A**************
middle name : S************** i do not have a clue how this happened, its been several years :(

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

my school / college certificates

S*********** A*************

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i have my birth certificate, would that be the grounds for the name change ? is it going to delay the process of naturalization
 
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Making the naturalization certificate match the birth certificate is not considered a name change*, and there would be no delay for doing that.


*unless you already changed your legal name to something other than your birth name and now you want to revert to the birth name
 
During the naturalization process, you can change your name to anything you want. You do not need any grounds. So pick a name, enter it on the N400, and you are done.
 
Risah said:
During the naturalization process, you can change your name to anything you want. You do not need any grounds. So pick a name, enter it on the N400, and you are done.
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Risah,

Does the USCIS have legal authority to change names ? i thought that they just had the power to let u pick a name from one of the legal names u have used, and if its the one that appears on the birth certificate the one you chose, the process is less complicated. your implying that you can choose what ever name you want and the only expense is the time frame ? is it true ?
 
sreeleshk said:
Does the USCIS have legal authority to change names ? i thought that they just had the power to let u pick a name from one of the legal names u have used, and if its the one that appears on the birth certificate the one you chose, the process is less complicated. your implying that you can choose what ever name you want and the only expense is the time frame ? is it true ?
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USCIS doesn't have the authority to change names. What USCIS does is arrange the name change process behind the scenes with the court, so that all you have to do after requesting the name change on the N-400 is to show up at the oath, where a judge will be present to complete the court proceedings.

Otherwise, if you did it on your own with the court, you'd probably have to fill out multiple pages of paperwork and pay hundreds of dollars in court fees and possibly put an ad in the newspaper to publicize your name change.

Note that if you want the naturalization certificate to have something else other than what is on the birth certificate, they will usually consider that to be a name change even if the name you want is already on your GC or passport or driver's license. Unless it is a name that is due to marriage or already changed via another legal process.
 
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I personally think the USCIS should have the authority to pick a name if they think a foreign name is not Americanized enough.
Many other countries have such nationality laws to required a natualized citizens to adopt a native styled name
 
WBH said:
I personally think the USCIS should have the authority to pick a name if they think a foreign name is not Americanized enough.
Many other countries have such nationality laws to required a natualized citizens to adopt a native styled name
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I don't think any of them actually pick your new name. They just make you pick from a long list of approved names.
 
i never knew that

atleast america gives us the freadom to chose what ever name we want even if there is a paperwork and money associated with it, thats a sigh of relief

:)
 
Jackolantern said:
USCIS doesn't have the authority to change names. What USCIS does is arrange the name change process behind the scenes with the court, so that all you have to do after requesting the name change on the N-400 is to show up at the oath, where a judge will be present to complete the court proceedings.

Otherwise, if you did it on your own with the court, you'd probably have to fill out multiple pages of paperwork and pay hundreds of dollars in court fees and possibly put an ad in the newspaper to publicize your name change.

Note that if you want the naturalization certificate to have something else other than what is on the birth certificate, they will usually consider that to be a name change even if the name you want is already on your GC or passport or driver's license. Unless it is a name that is due to marriage or already changed via another legal process.
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I checked how my name appears in my birth certificate

the information in my birth certificate is
________________________________________________________________________________

name : S****************

sex : Male

DOB: **/**/****

name of father/mother : A********/R**********

Place of birth : XXXXXXXXX

address : K********** ( House) in india in my state the family name is the house name
XXXXXXXXX state
India
__________________________________________________________

if I can chose the name as per the birth certificate, which name can i get ?

can i choose
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first name Middle name last name

S*************** A************ K*****************

or can i chose

first name Middle name last name

S*************** A K*****************

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I want my first name S********** and last name K************* to appear. Its okay if the middle name is there or not or if its just the initial



please advice guys.
 
Your birth certificate doesn't explicitly list your actual full name? They just expect the reader to piece together a full name based on the parents' names and "House" name?
 
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Just to reiterate: You can put any name on the N400 and that is the name you will get. Now don't nail me down if the judge doesn't agree to name you Bugs Bunny, but you know what I mean. So even if your old name is Masuk Tellmann, you can enter on the N400 to become John Smith, no problem. Or if your old name is Sandra McGrub, you can enter Sandra Nakamara or Tomita Jackson on the N400.

Whatever name you enter on the N400 is the name that will be shown on your naturalization certificate, and that will be your "new" name from then on. In some countries, name changes are not possible, require special grounds, or are limited in what can be changed. That is not the case in the US. Just think of all these actors that change their name. So, in conclusion, you can change your name to anything you want. All you have to do is complete part 1, section D on page 1 of the N400. Whatever you enter there will be your new name on your naturalization certificate.
 
Jackolantern said:
Your birth certificate doesn't explicitly list your actual full name? They just expect the reader to piece together a full name based on the parents' names and "House" name?
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In my state in kerala , people chose their names in alot of different ways, some use initials before the first name , some after the first name ( K.A. would have been my initials), and some attach their fathers name to their names, like in my school records S*********** A*************

I believe that people in kerala, dont even know what last name meant till like 1990 or so, they mention it as house name. I know alot of people who had thought that last name meant their father's name. (alot of them got confused in my father's generation). people dont really make it out of its hindu names. but for catholic names its so easy to spot,


i seen so many people who had their first name as John and last name as Mathew, like wise James William, joseph thomas and so on. it appears as if they have 2 first names to people like us, and those who came to america, with the confused last names didnt even correct them, i seen so many people with last names here (who migrated from kerala india ) as thomas, Paul, James and so on,


Unfortunately my birth certificate has whats below, what are my options?
______________________________________________________
name : S****************

sex : Male

DOB: **/**/****

name of father/mother : A********/R**********

Place of birth : XXXXXXXXX

address : K********** XXXXXXXXX state
India
______________________________________________
 
Risah said:
Just to reiterate: You can put any name on the N400 and that is the name you will get. Now don't nail me down if the judge doesn't agree to name you Bugs Bunny, but you know what I mean. So even if your old name is Masuk Tellmann, you can enter on the N400 to become John Smith, no problem. Or if your old name is Sandra McGrub, you can enter Sandra Nakamara or Tomita Jackson on the N400.

Whatever name you enter on the N400 is the name that will be shown on your naturalization certificate, and that will be your "new" name from then on. In some countries, name changes are not possible, require special grounds, or are limited in what can be changed. That is not the case in the US. Just think of all these actors that change their name. So, in conclusion, you can change your name to anything you want. All you have to do is complete part 1, section D on page 1 of the N400. Whatever you enter there will be your new name on your naturalization certificate.
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I understand what your telling me and how u are trying to help me out, Please understand,

Jack mentioned that the USCIS will stage the name change for you if you request the name change on/along with your n400, and this will be the easiest and cheapest way to get a new name. but there is a time delay due to it, an additional 4 to 8 weeks for the name changers so instead of 5 months that's normally taken to get naturalized, for the name changers it takes 6 or 7 months. Jack also mentioned that opting for the name to appear on the naturalization certificate to match your birth certificate is not "technically" considered as a name change so that does not require the time overhead.

My sole aim is to get the name in the naturalization certificate as

first name middle name last name
S********** A************ K***********
or
S********** A K***********

i am particular about my first name and last name, the middle name can exist as A************** or just the letter A or even left blank as if i have no middle name.
with no additional time for the change in name
and in my birth certificate the information about my birth is as

name : S****************

sex : Male

DOB: **/**/****

name of father/mother : A********/R**********

Place of birth : XXXXXXXXX

address : K********** ( House) in india in my state the family name is the house name
XXXXXXXXX state
India
__________________________________________________ ________

and this does not state my whole name clearly .... that's the concern here


guys please help , i know this is a can of worms and a long post
 
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I think you have to file for a name change (it may not need to happen but you need to treat it as one) - mainly because you haven't been consistent in filling your name out on various forms in the US.
(Or getting the document e.g. Green Card - corrected when it was issued with the wrong first/last name)

So, in order to minimize any issues, this is what you need to do:
1. File for your N400 with your correct name. List the name on your GC in the next section
2. List all the name combinations you've ever used in 'Other names used'
3. Put the correct sequence in the name change section of the N400 or your naturalization certificate may be made out to match your green card name.

The birth certificate is not checked during the Naturalization process so USCIS doesn't 'match up' your Naturalization certificate with your Birth Certificate.

Regarding the name change delay - you may not incur a delay as the IO will be able to see that it is just a specific combination of your existing names. I'd attach a copy of your Birth Certificatre and a cover letter explaining that you have filled out the name change section Only because the Green Card was issued in a different name combination and you are only attempting to correct the sequence of your names (first mddle last) as evidenced by the attached certified copy you birth certificate.

It will also go easier if you don't abbreviate your middle name to 'A' (or drop it altogether) as that does constitute a real name change.

When the IO hands you the piece of paper with your name written on it for verification, make sure it is in the correct sequence. If not, have it corrected right then as that is what's going on your naturalization cert.
 
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GungaDin said:
I think you have to file for a name change (it may not need to happen but you need to treat it as one) - mainly because you haven't been consistent in filling your name out on various forms in the US.
(Or getting the document e.g. Green Card - corrected when it was issued with the wrong first/last name)

So, in order to minimize any issues, this is what you need to do:
1. File for your N400 with the same name sequence on your Green card (filing under a different name is going to cause more delays than that for a name change - if not an outright denial)
2. List all the name combinations you've ever used in 'Other names used'
3. Put the correct sequence in the name change section of the N400 or your naturalization certificate will be made out to match your green card name.

Otherwise, your naturalization certificate will have the name as it is on your Green Card.
The birth certificate is not checked during the Naturalization process so USCIS doesn't 'match up' your Naturalization certificate with your Birth Certificate.

Regarding the name change delay - you may not incur a delay as the IO will be able to see that it is just a specific combination of your existing names. I'd attach a copy of your Birth Certificatre and a cover letter explaining that you have filled out the name change section Only because the Green Card was issued in a different name combination and you are only attempting to correct the sequence of your names (first mddle last) as evidenced by the attached certified copy you birth certificate.

It will also go easier if you don't abbreviate your middle name to 'A' (or drop it altogether) as that does constitute a real name change.

When the IO hands you the piece of paper with your name written on it for verification, make sure it is in the correct sequence. If not, have it corrected right then as that is what's going on your naturalization cert.
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thanks for the input, i guess i am in trouble now, as I have already mailed in the N400 day before yesterday and it has reached there( i had tracked it)
and in the n400 i have listed all the names used - missed out the one on my re-entry permit by mistake which is as

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

re-enty permit

surname : K***************
given name : A**************
middle name : S************** i do not have a clue how this happened, its been several years

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

on the N400 i listed my name as

Part 1 A, your current legal name
Family name : K************
given name : S************
Middle name : A************

which matches my passport

Part1B. your name exactly as it appears on my gc as
family name : K***********
Middle name : A**********
given name : S

It appears as in my gc K******* A******** S

and listed my names i have had in documents (except the Re-entry permit one that i missed out somehow)

Jackolantern mentioned that choosing your name as in your birth certificate is 'technically' not considered as a 'name change' so it will not cause any delay.

now i am confused :(

do u guys see a chance for denial ? my $675.00 :(
 
sreeleshk said:
thanks for the input, i guess i am in trouble now, as I have already mailed in the N400 day before yesterday and it has reached there( i had tracked it)
and in the n400 i have listed all the names used - missed out the one on my re-entry permit by mistake which is as

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

re-enty permit

surname : K***************
given name : A**************
middle name : S************** i do not have a clue how this happened, its been several years

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

on the N400 i listed my name as

Part 1 A, your current legal name
Family name : K************
given name : S************
Middle name : A************

which matches my passport

Part1B. your name exactly as it appears on my gc as
family name : K***********
Middle name : A**********
given name : S

It appears as in my gc K******* A******** S

and listed my names i have had in documents (except the Re-entry permit one that i missed out somehow)

Jackolantern mentioned that choosing your name as in your birth certificate is 'technically' not considered as a 'name change' so it will not cause any delay.

now i am confused :(

do u guys see a chance for denial ? my $675.00 :(
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Sorry. I forgot about the "your name exactly as it is on the green card' section. Chances of denial for this issue are 0. (and I'll correct my original post)
You're good to go. Just make sure your name is entered correctly when the IO asks you to verify the contents of a sheet of paper with your name on it.
 
GungaDin said:
The birth certificate is not checked during the Naturalization process so USCIS doesn't 'match up' your Naturalization certificate with your Birth Certificate.
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They often insist on seeing the birth certificate if there is a discrepancy with the name or date of birth.
 
on my DL, it appears as A************* S - i have missed out this one on my n400

this is how my name appears on the gc
________________________________________

Name : K************, A************** S

so i filled the n400 as
_____________________________________________________________________
Last name: K************
First name: S
middle name : A*****************
______________________________
on the bottom of my gc where it has numbers and some kid iof code on the lower most line its as K*********<<A**********<<SR (i think the name got truncated as its too many characters already)


i believe that when i filled the visa forms back in the day, i referred to my passport (current then in 2002) as in my passport there was just one space for the name and my name on the passport (1996-2006) has my name
as K*********** A********** S*************

all in a single line seperated by space. and the gc was came with

Name : K************, A************** S

like i mentioned above on the bottom of the gc it shows K*********<<A**********<<SR ( may be as it reached maximum characters)

but when my passport was renewed in 2006, the passport (current passport i have, 2006-2016) has 2 places for the name , Surname and given name, unfortunately the name on my current passport is as

surname : K*************** A************* (seperated by a space)
first name : S***************

i have forgot to mention this combination of names on my n400
 
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sreeleshk said:
on my DL, it appears as A************* S - i have missed out this one on my n400

this is how my name appears on the gc
________________________________________

Name : K************, A************** S

so i filled the n400 as
_____________________________________________________________________
Last name: K************
First name: S
middle name : A*****************
______________________________
on the bottom of my gc where it has numbers and some kid iof code on the lower most line its as K*********<<A**********<<SR (i think the name got truncated as its too many characters already)


i believe that when i filled the visa forms back in the day, i referred to my passport (current then in 2002) as in my passport there was just one space for the name and my name on the passport (1996-2006) has my name
as K*********** A********** S*************

all in a single line seperated by space. and the gc was came with

Name : K************, A************** S

like i mentioned above on the bottom of the gc it shows K*********<<A**********<<SR ( may be as it reached maximum characters)

but when my passport was renewed in 2006, the passport (current passport i have, 2006-2016) has 2 places for the name , Surname and given name, unfortunately the name on my current passport is as

surname : K*************** A************* (seperated by a space)
first name : S***************

i have forgot to mention this combination of names on my n400
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All you can hope for is to either have the application kicked back to you right away , or provide a complete list to the IO at the time of the interview and hope the additional information doesn't cause any inordinate delays.

BTW, if your GC had the name as Kxxx, Axxx S; the correct split is:
Last: Kxxxx
First: Axxxx
Middle: S
 
sreeleshk,

All you can do is list out every variation of your name on the N-400 (bring an updated first page of it to the interview), and tell the interviewer which first/middle/last name combination you want on the naturalization certificate. Obtain an official birth certificate from the issuing authority so the interviewer can see it if necessary. Then let them determine if the name you want is considered a name change or not.
 
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