Anyone with a lawsuit against USCIS or thinking about a lawsuit (Merged)

Is it good or bad signal?

Hello,

My case is based on 1447(b).

This afternoon US Attorney called me and said that USCIS's going to adjudicate my case. He said he's going to file a motion to court for remanding my case to USCIS.

Is this good signal? I am not sure if this motion is good or not. What if USCIS rejects my application (or do something bad) after my case is remanded to USCIS? Can I still do anything if this thing happens?

Thanks
 
Another question

paz1960 said:
If you listed the Attorney General as a defendant, you should be fine, because FBI is part of the Department of Justice so Alberto Gonzales is Robert Mueller's boss. The judge can order the Attorney General to instruct FBI to complete the name check in a prescribed timeframe.

AUSA will file a Motion to Dismiss not likely on the basis that you didn't list FBI as defendant. They will challenge either that USCIS doesn't have a clear ministerial, non-discretionary duty to adjudicate your GC petition in certain timeframe (which is true), so Plaintiff failed to state claim upon which relief can be granted, or/and they will argue that the delay in the adjudication is due to the backlog in the FBI name check process and is not unreasonably long.

Because there is really no defined time limit in any statue (for GC applications), you will need to rely mainly on case law, on previous court decisions in similar cases like yours. wenlock is the specialist on WOM cases, I think that he has lot of such cases in his collection. I concentrated mainly on 1447(b) based lawsuits.

But one recent case I was following (I-485, WOM) which has a happy ending is Dang v. Gonzales, 2:06-cv-00217 in the Eastern District of Washington. You can download the Opposition to Defendants' Motion to dismiss (as well as all the other documents associated to this case) from PACER .

Another successful case with Opposition to Motion to Dismiss is Elkathib v. Bulger, case no. 04-22407-CIV-SEITZ (S. D. Fla. June 6, 2005).

Thank you very much for your help!

I have another question about the pro se procedures.
In this forum, it is said that we need to file the affidavit of service (all the green certified mail return receipts) to the court and send a copy to the local US attorney.
I collected the return receipts, one of them is from the local US attorney because I mailed one copy of the complaint and a summon to the local US attorney even I did not list the local US attorney as defendant.
When I filed the affidavits of service to the clerk's office, I asked the clerk's office whether I need to send a copy of the certified mail return receipts to the local attorney's office. They told me it is not necessary to send the copy to the local US attorney because I have already mailed the complaint and the summon to the local US attorney.
I did not send the copies of the return receipt to the US attorney. Did I did the right thing?

Again, thank you very much!
 
phlipimi said:
Thank you very much for your help!

I have another question about the pro se procedures.
In this forum, it is said that we need to file the affidavit of service (all the green certified mail return receipts) to the court and send a copy to the local US attorney.
I collected the return receipts, one of them is from the local US attorney because I mailed one copy of the complaint and a summon to the local US attorney even I did not list the local US attorney as defendant.
When I filed the affidavits of service to the clerk's office, I asked the clerk's office whether I need to send a copy of the certified mail return receipts to the local attorney's office. They told me it is not necessary to send the copy to the local US attorney because I have already mailed the complaint and the summon to the local US attorney.
I did not send the copies of the return receipt to the US attorney. Did I did the right thing?

Again, thank you very much!
Hello phlipimi,
I had the same dilemma, and really doesn't make much sense to send a copy of this Certificate of Service also to the US Attorney's Office, but I did it anyway. I used that rule of thumb I read here on this forum to send a copy of every document filed with the court also to the US Attorney's office. If the clerk said that it is not necessary, just do what (s)he said. But if you really want to be on the safe side, send them a copy, it will cost you only a couple of bucks.
 
uniqueengine said:
Hello,

My case is based on 1447(b).

This afternoon US Attorney called me and said that USCIS's going to adjudicate my case. He said he's going to file a motion to court for remanding my case to USCIS.

Is this good signal? I am not sure if this motion is good or not. What if USCIS rejects my application (or do something bad) after my case is remanded to USCIS? Can I still do anything if this thing happens?

Thanks
I would ask AUSA to send me a draft of the Motion to Remand and if I agree with the wording it can be a Joint Motion to Remand. If this motion has a promise that USCIS is ready now to adjudicate your case and they will do it in XX days (XX=30 for example), I think that it is safe to join them and have this as a Joint Motion. It will go faster in this way. The court would not have to wait till the time to oppose the motion is up, the judge can rule immediately and USCIS can adjudicate right after the Order.

It is definitely a good sign, because AUSA will not play tricks with you (or at least it is very unlikely; typically they are professional, serious people, who know what means the given word). Of course, from this you still don't know if they are going to approve your case or deny it. If they stick to the statue, they lost jurisdiction as soon as you filed your complaint. They can argue (and they are right) that they can't adjudicate your case till it is pending in court. After they get back from the court (either because the judge remanded the case or the case is dismissed) they can adjudicate it. The result of adjudication can be approval or denial.

In many cases USCIS adjudicated the application anyway, i.e., they didn't care that they lost jurisdiction. This happened for example in my case, too. Because they told me that they approved my case, obviously I didn't begin to argue with them about jurisdiction. I surely would object if they would tell me that they denied my case and they would ask the court to dismiss my case because it is moot.

I don't think that you can do much to protect yourself from a possible denial. They can use the same arguments what we are using against them, that they lost jurisdiction as soon as you filed your complaint, and according to US v. Hovsepian, they are right. In order to adjudicate your application, they need the jurisdiction back. If they deny your application, you will need to appeal it first with USCIS. They have 180 days to schedule an administrative appleal with a senior officer. If the denial is maintained, you can file another complaint with the district court asking a de novo hearing, based on 8 U.S.C. 1421(c).

But these are only the theoretical possibilities. My guess is that you are fine, you will get very soon, what you are looking for.
 
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Lucyd said:
I just wanted to thank Internet, Publicus and Bashar.
I did it!!!
Brand new Citizen, Ladies and Gentlemen :)
Congratulation, seems that our cases went almost in parallel. Enjoy your new status and don't forget to vote!
 
paz1960 said:
I would ask AUSA to send me a draft of the Motion to Remand and if I agree with the wording it can be a Joint Motion to Remand. If this motion has a promise that USCIS is ready now to adjudicate your case and they will do it in XX days (XX=30 for example), I think that it is safe to join them and have this as a Joint Motion. It will go faster in this way. The court would not have to wait till the time to oppose the motion is up, the judge can rule immediately and USCIS can adjudicate right after the Order.


It is definitely a good sign, because AUSA will not play tricks with you (or at least it is very unlikely; typically they are professional, serious people, who know what means the given word). Of course, from this you still don't know if they are going to approve your case or deny it. If they stick to the statue, they lost jurisdiction as soon as you filed your complaint. They can argue (and they are right) that they can't adjudicate your case till it is pending in court. After they get back from the court (either because the judge remanded the case or the case is dismissed) they can adjudicate it. The result of adjudication can be approval or denial.

In many cases USCIS adjudicated the application anyway, i.e., they didn't care that they lost jurisdiction. This happened for example in my case, too. Because they told me that they approved my case, obviously I didn't begin to argue with them about jurisdiction. I surely would object if they would tell me that they denied my case and they would ask the court to dismiss my case because it is moot.

I don't think that you can do much to protect yourself from a possible denial. They can use the same arguments what we are using against them, that they lost jurisdiction as soon as you filed your complaint, and according to US v. Hovsepian, they are right. In order to adjudicate your application, they need the jurisdiction back. If they deny your application, you will need to appeal it first with USCIS. They have 180 days to schedule an administrative appleal with a senior officer. If the denial is maintained, you can file another complaint with the district court asking a de novo hearing, based on 8 U.S.C. 1421(c).

But these are only the theoretical possibilities. My guess is that you are fine, you will get very soon, what you are looking for.
Paz,

Wouldn't it make sense to ask AUSA to add something like "the Oath should be scheduled in YY days otherwise..." so that he can avoid the risk of being denied? If they refused to add something like that or he can sense a denial in some ways wouldn't it be more beneficial to keep the adjudication power with the court? -- Unless the potential denial is based on something the court also honors...
 
Snow,

Why do you need to send the original Summons back to court? I thought we only need to file the proof of service but your post worried me. -- Please list which FRCP rule or local rule requires the plaintiff to file the orignal Summons back to the court if possible. -- I don't understand why they give it out to you and ask it back in this case...

snowxyxy said:
hi friends,
thanks for all the posts here which helped a lot for me to go through. I filed WOM on Jan 3 2007. Today I get a call from another court clerk staying that there are two issues in my serving:
1. He said I didn't send the original summon back to court after my serving because the summon didn't have the back page information.

--what I did: I printed out the first page of A044 form from this website:
http://www.uscourts.gov/forms/AO440.pdf
but I forgot to print out the second page 'RETURN OF SERVICE'. When I bring the summon to the court clerk, she just stamped on it, put a case number on it, and ask me to send the copy of this summon(the first sheet) to each defendents with cover sheets, complain and exbitits. She never mentioned the second page 'RETURN OF SERVICE' page missing.
I served each defendents and AUSA via USPS certified mail with return receipt request.

now what to do with this? print out the whole summon sheet and bring them to the court, get stamped and file again?

2. regarding the 'certificate of service', I am still confused of how to file it to the court:
1) is it the letter I shall write to the court with all the info. paz1960 has mentioned?
2) I served the summon through USPS post office. I just put my documents(1 summon sheet, 2 civil cover sheet, complaint, exhibits) in the envelops, sealed and handed them to USPS employee. Does it mean that I am the server and I just need to sign the 'certificate of service' myself? Do I need to have someone to proof that the documents I stated in the 'certificate of service' are actually in the envelope?

thanks for your advice and have a good evening!
 
cacd07 said:
Paz,

Wouldn't it make sense to ask AUSA to add something like "the Oath should be scheduled in YY days otherwise..." so that he can avoid the risk of being denied? If they refused to add something like that or he can sense a denial in some ways wouldn't it be more beneficial to keep the adjudication power with the court? -- Unless the potential denial is based on something the court also honors...
Yes, it is possible to add a sentence like: "If application is approved, USCIS should schedule an Oath Ceremony in YY days after the order to remand".

Unfortunately, you can't ask the court to order the oath ceremony without this "if". Adjudication is non-discretionary, approval or denial is discretionary.

When USCIS signals the court that it is ready to adjudicate the application, the judge will not retain the case in court for (at least) two reasons:

1) "More generally, a remand is consistent with the rule that, “[g]enerally speaking, a court . . . should remand a case to an agency for decision of a matter that statutes place primarily in agency hands.” Immigration & Naturalization Service v. Ventura, 537 U.S. 12, 16, 123 S. Ct. 353, 355 (2002). The Supreme Court has cited a number of considerations in support of this “ordinary remand” rule:

The agency can bring its expertise to bear upon the matter; it can evaluate the evidence; it can make an initial determination; and, in doing so, it can, through informed discussion and analysis, help a court later determine whether its decision exceeds the leeway that the law provides. Ventura, 537 U.S. at 17, 123 S. Ct. at 355-56.

The Court further observed that this preference for remand “has obvious importance in the immigration context.” 537 U.S. at 16-17, 123 S. Ct. at 355; see also Gonzales v. Thomas, __ S. Ct. __, 2006 WL 986378, at *3 (U.S. Apr. 17, 2006) (finding, in another immigration case, that there was “no special circumstance here” that warranted a deviation from the “ordinary remand” rule)."

This citation is from the judge's opinion and order in the Khelifa v. Chertoff case, see attached to this post.

2). It is easier for the judge to let USCIS determine the matter than to conduct a de novo judicial review and a hearing.

Here is a further citation from the above mentioned case:

"Yet, even with the benefit of a completed background investigation, this Court still would confront many of the concerns that the “ordinary remand” rule seeks to address. It is one matter, after all, to review the results of Plaintiff’s background check, but another matter entirely to interpret these results. As explained in the declaration of CIS official Jack Lin, an applicant undergoes a number of different background checks, with each of these initial checks potentially unearthing “derogatory” information that warrants further investigation. Plainly, CIS and the federal law enforcement agencies with which it works in the investigative process have a great deal more expertise than the Court in both (i) identifying the potentially problematic information that has been uncovered in a background check, and (ii) following up to determine whether this information truly reflects legitimate national security or public safety concerns, or instead is merely a “false positive.” Thus, while Plaintiff’s background check is now complete, the Court still sees considerable benefit in allowing CIS to make the first assessment as to whether any information disclosed in this investigation has any bearing upon Plaintiff’s eligibility for citizenship. First and foremost, CIS has the experience and expertise in making this assessment — and, more generally, in determining whether an applicant meets all of the various criteria for naturalization — while the Court has neither. Next, any subsequent judicial review — a function that does lie within the Court’s experience and expertise — would be considerably aided by an agency analysis and explanation as to why it acted as it did on Plaintiff’s application. Finally, as a practical matter, now that all barriers to a determination seemingly have been removed, CIS is just as likely as this Court to promptly decide Plaintiff’s application — and, indeed, Defendants have stated their willingness and ability to make a decision within 90 to 120 days if so ordered by the Court."
 
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computation of time

Some time ago, we were arguing with one of the forum member (sorry I forgot who was this member) how the 60 days are calculated: calendar or business days. By accident, I just found the relevant rule in the FRCP:

Rule 6. Time

(a) Computation.
In computing any period of time prescribed or allowed by these rules, by the local rules of any district court, by order of court, or by any applicable statute, the day of the act, event, or default from which the designated period of time begins to run shall not be included. The last day of the period so computed shall be included, unless it is a Saturday, a Sunday, or a legal holiday, or, when the act to be done is the filing of a paper in court, a day on which weather or other conditions have made the office of the clerk of the district court inaccessible, in which event the period runs until the end of the next day which is not one of the aforementioned days. When the period of time prescribed or allowed is less than 11 days, intermediate Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays shall be excluded in the computation. As used in this rule and in Rule 77(c), "legal holiday" includes New Year's Day, Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., Washington's Birthday, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Columbus Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day, and any other day appointed as a holiday by the President or the Congress of the United States, or by the state in which the district court is held.

So the 60 days are calendar days.
 
cacd07 said:
Snow,

Why do you need to send the original Summons back to court? I thought we only need to file the proof of service but your post worried me. -- Please list which FRCP rule or local rule requires the plaintiff to file the orignal Summons back to the court if possible. -- I don't understand why they give it out to you and ask it back in this case...
Hi cacd07,
They ask back the summonses because it has on the second page the "return of service" affidavit. See the official form at http://www.uscourts.gov/forms/AO440.pdf

In my district there is a different form, it has only one page, but the bottom half has essentially the same info as on the second page of the above mentioned form. Looking to these, it was obvious for me that I need to return one set to the court.

The FRCP doesn't mention that you need to send back the original summonses, although the clerk in my district court mentioned this also.

Here is Rule 4(l) from the FRCP:

(l) Proof of Service.
If service is not waived, the person effecting service shall make proof thereof to the court. If service is made by a person other than a United States marshal or deputy United States marshal, the person shall make affidavit thereof. Proof of service in a place not within any judicial district of the United States shall, if effected under paragraph (1) of subdivision (f), be made pursuant to the applicable treaty or convention, and shall, if effected under paragraph (2) or (3) thereof, include a receipt signed by the addressee or other evidence of delivery to the addressee satisfactory to the court. Failure to make proof of service does not affect the validity of the service. The court may allow proof of service to be amended.
 
paz1960 said:
Yes, it is possible to add a sentence like: "If application is approved, USCIS should schedule an oathe ceremony in YY days after the order to remand".

......

I agree. Actually think this way, if CIS has no good reason to deny the case, they will approve it and everything is fine. If they do (in the rare case) there is not much one can do even by keeping the case with the court anyways.

But I would probably check with CIS by infopass or call congressional office and see whether anything can be 'leaked' before signing a joint motion. I know in one case CIS sent out an N-652 simply saying 'Contragulations your case is ready to be adjudicated and we will schedule your oath ceremony within 90 days bla bla bla' to an applicant whose name check was pending for over a year and finally got cleared without a lawsuit.
 
My case is approved today!
I received a letter from acting district director from Newark, which said my application was approved on Jan. 25, 2007 and I should receive the card by mail in about 6 month!
I am so happy after the long waiting! Following is my case detail:
I-485 RD: 5/2003 (EB2)
2ed I-485 (though my husband) 2/2006, interviewed 7/2006
Stuck in name check
WOM filed Jan. 4, 2007 (Pro Se)
Summons served: 16/2007
Approve notice: Jan. 25, 2007
I do not know if the law suit trigger the approve or not since my case did not assigned to an AUSA yet. However, I really appreciate this post and all the people posted here, particular like Publicus, gegemon, TSA, Pharmboy, Mohamed, Paz etc! Your devotion helped a lot people and will continue to help a lot people like me! Thanks a lot! Good luck to everyone!
 
wenlock said:
Ok if you are not satisfied with Defendents list provided by Paz you can sue United States of America.

When you file your law suit just make USA as your defendent it will cover all the United States run agencies. In some cases it is recomended this way. One benefit of doing it this way is that when you move forward in law suit and if defendents make argument that background check is more then FBI name check and involves other unnamed agencies because you filed suit against USA it covers all the Federal agencies so you can easily handle defendents argument.

I have seen many lawyers has done it that way. If you read AILF advisory about suing goveronment you will find it recommended way of Suing.

Wenlock
I am glad I brough this topic to this fourm regarding defendent list even turn out I am wrong. I will be more happy this kind of argument can give you more detail how should you fight in this area which none of us is professonal. This idea is not actural from me, from some of Motion of Dismiss or Remand filed by USCIS and FBI. I rememberd in this article, FBI said roughly my point and USCIS said plaintiff did nothing but complain and sue all goverment agency.... My case is different, I didn't put FBI in my defendent list, it seems work, but I dont want suggest my way, I 100% agree PAZ1960's statement and YOU SHOULD PUT FBI IN YOUR LIST. I am also be happy to brought more argument to this forum and wish those discussion can built up knowledge. I, myself, benifit from this forum a lot and wish you all best from my heart.
 
thanks paz1960

cacd07,
paz1960 is right. I also thank paz1960 for his helpful explanation.
The clerk needs the summons back for the proof of service.

I followed the paz's advice and found his old post, followed the pro se person's 'certificate of service' and made my own one and handed it to the clerk. He accepts that and says it is the most important piece of proof of servie in my situation. The clerk is reluctant to accept my email print out the notice of delivery from USPC, but he put them on the PASER anyway. I think I will print out the tracking information from USPC website, and make some affidavites to be proactive and give them to the court for the added proof of service information.

Also be aware that sometimes the clerk is not right. We have to do our own homework. In my case, when I first gave my print out summons to one clerk for her stamping, she never mentioned that second page is missing and is needed back. Second time I gave another clerk my filled out form of the 'return of service' page, he didn't accept that and said that I didn't send this 'return of service' page with the copied summon to each defendent such that each defendent wouldn't return his summon. I disagree with him and mentioned that from now on we are not dealing with each defendant, but AUSA; and if there is any answer, it would be from AUSA not each defendent......

paz1960 said:
Hi cacd07,
They ask back the summonses because it has on the second page the "return of service" affidavit. See the official form at http://www.uscourts.gov/forms/AO440.pdf

In my district there is a different form, it has only one page, but the bottom half has essentially the same info as on the second page of the above mentioned form. Looking to these, it was obvious for me that I need to return one set to the court.

The FRCP doesn't mention that you need to send back the original summonses, although the clerk in my district court mentioned this also.

Here is Rule 4(l) from the FRCP:

(l) Proof of Service.
If service is not waived, the person effecting service shall make proof thereof to the court. If service is made by a person other than a United States marshal or deputy United States marshal, the person shall make affidavit thereof. Proof of service in a place not within any judicial district of the United States shall, if effected under paragraph (1) of subdivision (f), be made pursuant to the applicable treaty or convention, and shall, if effected under paragraph (2) or (3) thereof, include a receipt signed by the addressee or other evidence of delivery to the addressee satisfactory to the court. Failure to make proof of service does not affect the validity of the service. The court may allow proof of service to be amended.
 
may2003i485 said:
My case is approved today!
I received a letter from acting district director from Newark, which said my application was approved on Jan. 25, 2007 and I should receive the card by mail in about 6 month!
I am so happy after the long waiting! Following is my case detail:
I-485 RD: 5/2003 (EB2)
2ed I-485 (though my husband) 2/2006, interviewed 7/2006
Stuck in name check
WOM filed Jan. 4, 2007 (Pro Se)
Summons served: 16/2007
Approve notice: Jan. 25, 2007
I do not know if the law suit trigger the approve or not since my case did not assigned to an AUSA yet. However, I really appreciate this post and all the people posted here, particular like Publicus, gegemon, TSA, Pharmboy, Mohamed, Paz etc! Your devotion helped a lot people and will continue to help a lot people like me! Thanks a lot! Good luck to everyone!
Hello may2003I485,
Congratulations! You are the winner for today. It is very good feeling that the members of this forum are adding to the "V" column and everybody finds this forum useful. I'm glad that I could contribute with something, although most of my knowledge comes from the "founding fathers and mothers" of this forum, so the biggest thank should go to them.
 
paz1960 said:
Hello phlipimi,
I had the same dilemma, and really doesn't make much sense to send a copy of this Certificate of Service also to the US Attorney's Office, but I did it anyway. I used that rule of thumb I read here on this forum to send a copy of every document filed with the court also to the US Attorney's office. If the clerk said that it is not necessary, just do what (s)he said. But if you really want to be on the safe side, send them a copy, it will cost you only a couple of bucks.

Thank you very much for your quick response!
The reason I did not send the local attorney the copy is because I don't want to make the local attorney confused.

Again, thank you very much for your help!
 
Thank you Snow and Paz. I guess local rules may be different on this item. In my pro se's packet here, they have one page Summons and another Proof of Service on COmplaint and Summons which has two pages. I did file the latter documents with all mailing proofs. I will, however, double check with them whether I need to send anything extra, although the clerk tried to dodge all questions.

Also for Paz -- did CIS halt automatic expedition on NC for I485 WOM only or both WOM and 1447B for N400?

snowxyxy said:
cacd07,
paz1960 is right. I also thank paz1960 for his helpful explanation.
The clerk needs the summons back for the proof of service.

I followed the paz's advice and found his old post, followed the pro se person's 'certificate of service' and made my own one and handed it to the clerk. He accepts that and says it is the most important piece of proof of servie in my situation. The clerk is reluctant to accept my email print out the notice of delivery from USPC, but he put them on the PASER anyway. I think I will print out the tracking information from USPC website, and make some affidavites to be proactive and give them to the court for the added proof of service information.

Also be aware that sometimes the clerk is not right. We have to do our own homework. In my case, when I first gave my print out summons to one clerk for her stamping, she never mentioned that second page is missing and is needed back. Second time I gave another clerk my filled out form of the 'return of service' page, he didn't accept that and said that I didn't send this 'return of service' page with the copied summon to each defendent such that each defendent wouldn't return his summon. I disagree with him and mentioned that from now on we are not dealing with each defendant, but AUSA; and if there is any answer, it would be from AUSA not each defendent......
 
cacd07 said:
Thank you Snow and Paz. I guess local rules may be different on this item. In my pro se's packet here, they have one page Summons and another Proof of Service on COmplaint and Summons which has two pages. I did file the latter documents with all mailing proofs. I will, however, double check with them whether I need to send anything extra, although the clerk tried to dodge all questions.

Also for Paz -- did CIS halt automatic expedition on NC for I485 WOM only or both WOM and 1447B for N400?
As far as I know, this evidence (that USCIS halted requesting expedite) is only anecdotical, i.e., nobody posted so far the official memo coming from USCIS HQ. People were told by AUSAs that USCIS stopped expedite request beginning Dec. 22, 2006; there was no detail if this is only I-485 and/or N-400 cases. The first posting originated from a Chinese immigration web site; they usually are well informed.
 
please answer

paz1960 said:
I would ask AUSA to send me a draft of the Motion to Remand and if I agree with the wording it can be a Joint Motion to Remand. If this motion has a promise that USCIS is ready now to adjudicate your case and they will do it in XX days (XX=30 for example), I think that it is safe to join them and have this as a Joint Motion. It will go faster in this way. The court would not have to wait till the time to oppose the motion is up, the judge can rule immediately and USCIS can adjudicate right after the Order.

It is definitely a good sign, because AUSA will not play tricks with you (or at least it is very unlikely; typically they are professional, serious people, who know what means the given word). Of course, from this you still don't know if they are going to approve your case or deny it. If they stick to the statue, they lost jurisdiction as soon as you filed your complaint. They can argue (and they are right) that they can't adjudicate your case till it is pending in court. After they get back from the court (either because the judge remanded the case or the case is dismissed) they can adjudicate it. The result of adjudication can be approval or denial.

In many cases USCIS adjudicated the application anyway, i.e., they didn't care that they lost jurisdiction. This happened for example in my case, too. Because they told me that they approved my case, obviously I didn't begin to argue with them about jurisdiction. I surely would object if they would tell me that they denied my case and they would ask the court to dismiss my case because it is moot.

I don't think that you can do much to protect yourself from a possible denial. They can use the same arguments what we are using against them, that they lost jurisdiction as soon as you filed your complaint, and according to US v. Hovsepian, they are right. In order to adjudicate your application, they need the jurisdiction back. If they deny your application, you will need to appeal it first with USCIS. They have 180 days to schedule an administrative appleal with a senior officer. If the denial is maintained, you can file another complaint with the district court asking a de novo hearing, based on 8 U.S.C. 1421(c).

But these are only the theoretical possibilities. My guess is that you are fine, you will get very soon, what you are looking for.

Q1)Is this also true in other circuts that whenever a 1447b is filed, USCIS loses jurisdiction and can not do anything. I think it is a problem beacuse how about if someone take the case back from the court because USCIS pressures him/her that they can not do anything until the case is in the court.

Q2) I am planning to file in New York, which ,I believe, is not in a circuit where USCIS automatically loses jurisdiction as soon as someone files 1447b. Should I request that judge make a decision on my application or is it not going to help me?
Paz,can you please clarify this because I am confused here. Thank You!
 
Please Check Local Rules about summons

I have seen many posts about local rules in terms of serving summons. I believe these are different in different districts.

In my district I served original summons with complaints and when I turned in service of summons I did not attached copy of summons just certificate of servive form with USPS printed print out from the web and two green slips that I received.

Court clerk was happy and AUSA is happy do i believe I did every thing right.

I heard in some district you return original summons back to court clerk and send copies to defendents why I don't know.

In my district they assign case handler for your case at court who answers all questions and single point of contact for every thing. My case handler is very nice professional lady and she helped me through entire process. I can call her any time I have questions. She knows my case and she keep all documentation.

In other district it may be different.
 
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