has any one asked for refund of social security taxes

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has any one asked for refund of social security taxes that you paid as
you are leaving the country and hence cannot avail of the social security benefits
 
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Found this in EZBoard:
http://pub35.ezboard.com/fisnforumsi1485forum.showMessage?topicID=9554.topic
Here\'s the text
    Found this at rediff.com

    A few years ago Ajay Sehgal (not his real name), a young Indian high tech
    worker based in Connecticut, received a letter from the Social Security
    Administration.

    The letter stated that through the six years that Sehgal lived and worked in the
    United States -- first on an H-1B visa and later while his greencard application
    was pending -- he had contributed approximately $50,000 in social security
    taxes.

    Since he was unsure of whether his greencard petition would be approved, Sehgal thought he could cash in the $50,000 and return to India. So he approached his
    local social security office.

    "It is my money after all," Sehgal said recently. "If they will not allow me to live in this country, if I cannot retire in this country, then they should allow me to take
    my money and return to India. Right?"

    Wrong, said the local social security office. He was told that foreign employees (including those on H-1B visas) who may have worked in the America for a few
    years could claim social security benefits upon retirement, but this depends on the country of their origin.

    In fact, Sethi later learned, as an Indian citizen on a temporary visa such as H-1B, he could not receive any social security retirement benefits -- even though he
    had legally paid his social security taxes.

    "An Indian national on an H-1B visa is here for a period of six years," said Herb Loring, a social
    insurance program specialist with the SSA office in New York City. "And this person would get
    nothing. That is the law."

    "But if this person came back and worked for four more years, under whatever status, and fulfilled
    the \'40-quarters\' exception rule, then this person could receive social security retirement benefits,"
    Loring added. "Basically they cannot collect their money if they are an Indian national, unless they
    meet the exception."

    The \'40-quarter\' exception rule, Loring explained, means that this person should have worked in the
    United States for at least 10 years. He added that this exception rule applies to citizens of over 30
    countries who may have been employed in America for part of their career. The list of countries
    includes India, China, Afghanistan, Thailand, Kenya, Tunisia and Bangladesh, he said.

    Loring added that workers from several Western European countries and Canada can claim social
    security benefits even if they worked in the United States for less than 10 years. The reason he said
    is the United States has treaties of reciprocity with these countries.

    "The reciprocity rule in the treaties means that if a US citizen went to this other country and worked
    there for a few years under that country\'s retirement system, then the US citizen could also collect
    retirement benefits from that country," Loring said.

    In addition, the United States also has \'totalization agreements\' with some countries, such as the
    United Kingdom, under which US nationals can receive retirement benefits based on their combined
    work history at home and in the other country.

    But America has not signed any such treaty with India, Loring said. He suggested that the reason
    could be that India does not have a national retirement system similar to the United States and many
    other Western nations.

    "I cannot comment on the question of fairness or unfairness," Loring said. "This is law in the United
    States."

    But for workers like Ajay Sehgal the laws reek of discrimination, especially since the largest
    contingent of H-1B visa workers in the United States are from India and China.

    "I call this daylight robbery," Sehgal fumed. "This rule has to be changed."

    "Giving us a greencard or not giving us a greencard is your right. I fully appreciate it. But why do you rob us of our social security? If you are a fair country, either
    give us the greencard or refund the social security."
 
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We should then send emails to the indian ambassdor / foreign minister to push for a reciprocity agreement. In india too we have provident fund scheme to which we all employess contribute to and is avilable only at retirement.
With the lay off scenario we should be pushing for this. There are benefits for India too as this money would be invested in INdia
 
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I did ask couple of people about 401k Plan. It seems like you can hold on to your 401k portfolio till your retirement in India and US will send you the money up on providing documents on retirement. I might be wrong. Please check with you friends/lawyer.
 
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Well, if you receive 401(K) plan distrubition after your
retire in India, will you pay income taxes to India or
America or both? Maybe you rplan administrator will
withheld Taxes regardless where you live anyway

I heard that the INS go after those citizens who retired
and move to other countries to collect taxes on 401(K),
don;t know what they would do to H1B who left the USA
 
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It is impossible for the USA to sign social securities
with countries like China and India. It can be done
only with a country ehere an average income earner
earns basically as the same as an average one in
America. If there is going to be a negotiation
on this, the American delegate would insist that
working for one year in the USA would be equivalent
to 10 years in India or China.
 
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If I were to make laws, I would
demand only those H1B workers who
pay SS taxes in time are eligible
for a GC (but no gurantter to get
one), but allow H1B workers not to
pay SS taxes if they do not want a
GC.
 
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Yes you can !!!
One friend of mine also had the same question about claiming SS Money. He told me about
it needs atleast 10 years to be here to claim the SS money.
 
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