Any bill in pipeline for early citizenship

[blessed_by_INS]

Hi All
It's irony that after all these years chasing GC now I want to go back to my home country for good. But I don't have any energy left to pursue the H1b route through tech body shopping ( in case I try to come back in future ).I was just wondering if any bill is in pipe line for citizenship or any relax norm ( >180 days ) for GC holder ?

Thanks

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by blessed_by_INS

I was just wondering if any bill is in pipe line for citizenship or any relax norm ( >180 days ) for GC holder ?

Nope.

[mmed]

Originally Posted by blessed_by_INS

Hi All
It's irony that after all these years chasing GC now I want to go back to my home country for good. But I don't have any energy left to pursue the H1b route through tech body shopping ( in case I try to come back in future ).I was just wondering if any bill is in pipe line for citizenship or any relax norm ( >180 days ) for GC holder ?

Thanks

We should understand the logic behind the waiting time till we get GC and the years till we can apply for citizenship then the relatively long time till its approval then we may think that there may be a bill to make eligibility 10 years not 5 years after GC.
As you see the waiting time is longer for categories with higher number compared to lower number (E3>E2>E1) to the extent of available visa number all the time to E1 for example.
It is not logic by any way to give citizenship to whoever want to leave US for good. However, it is well understandable to give citizenship to those with high probability to stay in US. This long waiting time for sure will filter very good proportion from the former group.

[GotPR?]

I'd wonder what citizenship is, philosophically.

[Triple Citizen]

Don't these two statements make up an oxymoron?

Originally Posted by blessed_by_INS

I want to go back to my home country for good.

Originally Posted by blessed_by_INS

in case I try to come back in future

[blessed_by_INS]

Originally Posted by Triple Citizen

Don't these two statements make up an oxymoron?

I don't think so.I want to go back but son is about to go to college.There are lot of things in life which I can not explain.BTW there were a bill 3 years ago to give citizenship after 4 years of GC.Yes it could not get through the cracks.
Regarding the logic of long wait , US wants you to be accustomed to their environment and culture before granting citizenship. Why not count stay during h1b period ?
anyway I think you can try Australian citizenship too and can try Guinness World Records for max citizenship.Before calling me oxymoron why don't you give up your other 2 passport ?

[Triple Citizen]

No person can be called an oxymoron. It just doesn't work.

Originally Posted by blessed_by_INS

Before calling me oxymoron why don't you give up your other 2 passport ?

[schandrag]

No person can be called an oxymoron. It just doesn't work.



Good one

However- I think those two ideas, contradicting each other were not represented in the same phrase/sentence and therefore technically the expression is not an oxymoron.

[Triple Citizen]

You are correct, that is why my original remark had a question mark and had the words "Don't these two statements...?"
I was asking, not stating

Originally Posted by schandrag

However- I think those two ideas, contradicting each other were not represented in the same phrase/sentence and therefore technically the expression is not an oxymoron.

[mmed]

Originally Posted by blessed_by_INS

Why not count stay during h1b period ?

The time on visa in most cases are different than that with GC. With visa you are connected to one sponsor, restricted in changing jobs to great extent, ......etc. The case is completely different with GC. Any how, I hope to make a bill with citizenship one week after GC I have no problem with that.

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by mmed

The time on visa in most cases are different than that with GC. With visa you are connected to one sponsor, restricted in changing jobs to great extent,

Depends on the visa.

[StonedAnt]

Most of the visas that are discussed around here are NON-IMMIGRANT visas, so time spent on them could not be considered towards citizenship. However, time spent in the Labor backlogs, 140, 485 or any other stage that eventually targets permanent residence in the US might be up for debate.

I am not a lawyer so I cannot say how much ground that logic holds.


Stoned!

[Jackolantern]

Originally Posted by StonedAnt

Most of the visas that are discussed around here are NON-IMMIGRANT visas, so time spent on them could not be considered towards citizenship. However, time spent in the Labor backlogs, 140, 485 or any other stage that eventually targets permanent residence in the US might be up for debate.

I am not a lawyer so I cannot say how much ground that logic holds.

The logic is good, it's just that the law doesn't follow it. It makes sense to me to give some form of credit towards the years of residence required for citizenship, if the person has spent a very long time (say more than 1 year) with a pending I-485.

[Triple Citizen]

Canada does that. One can claim up to 2 years spent immediately before acquing PR status but at half the rate. In other words, 2 years will shave off 1 year.

Originally Posted by Jackolantern

It makes sense to me to give some form of credit towards the years of residence required for citizenship, if the person has spent a very long time (say more than 1 year) with a pending I-485.

[zima3]

I think we are trying to trivialize this issue, I believe this is very valid. I've been working as a federal government contractor since 1998, I started my GC application 1999 and got my GC in 2007 (whole 8 years), the reason was a backlog for my labor (any one know how long MD took to process EB2 labor certs in those days), backlogs in 485 processing (anyone familiar with these?). It doesnt make sense for me to have to wait for 5 more years to apply for citizenship, I believe I should get one now. There are quite a few restrictions with a GC (for example: I cannot work directly for the federal government, I cannot leave the country for more than 6 months, etc.) and it is completely unfair. The reason my application took so long is due to US Government inefficiency, there were no visa number problems for labor certification..
So I do believe someone should pursue this... I'm not sure what the best way to do this is however....

[mmed]

Originally Posted by zima3

I think we are trying to trivialize this issue, I believe this is very valid. I've been working as a federal government contractor since 1998, I started my GC application 1999 and got my GC in 2007 (whole 8 years), the reason was a backlog for my labor (any one know how long MD took to process EB2 labor certs in those days), backlogs in 485 processing (anyone familiar with these?). It doesnt make sense for me to have to wait for 5 more years to apply for citizenship, I believe I should get one now. There are quite a few restrictions with a GC (for example: I cannot work directly for the federal government, I cannot leave the country for more than 6 months, etc.) and it is completely unfair. The reason my application took so long is due to US Government inefficiency, there were no visa number problems for labor certification..
So I do believe someone should pursue this... I'm not sure what the best way to do this is however....

This is another issue. Who is supposed to be more considered for early citizenship; one with available visa number and delayed for many years because of security checks, inefficient US system ......etc or that with backlog (made on purpose to delay him/her) due to non available visa number. I assume, and this is completely personal opinion and believe if it is correct supposed not to be the case, is that the backlog is made not to storm the US with certain category with specific qualifications from certain overpopulated locale and let them replace their pears in very slow motion, by then the US will remain of different ethnicity, most of them constitute minority at any given time.

[Triple Citizen]

What if there was simply no path to naturalisation for employment based GC holders? Just suppose such a scenario for a minute. What would you do then?
Learn to be content with what can happen rather than moan about something that has not happened.

Originally Posted by zima3

The reason my application took so long is due to US Government inefficiency, there were no visa number problems for labor certification..
So I do believe someone should pursue this... I'm not sure what the best way to do this is however....

[pmpforgc]

This might be good idea to propose.

But If I remember correct in the draft for the last bill there was concession of one year (reduced to four years) to any one who can get better skill in english or can pass some english test.

So it looks like if you propose some thing that is based on the qualification and is close to the current concessions for other groups it may work in law makers mind.

Lowest years for citizenship currenlty are probably Three years After Marriage based GC.

So going with that logic as well as logic that US need Highly skilled workforce for innovations. You can prpose some thing like -

ANY PERMANENT RESIDENT WHO HAS GOT MASTERS OR HIGHER DEGREE IN THE STEM (SCIENCE TECH ENGINEERING AND MATH) FIELDS, WHO had paid US FEDERAL TAXES FOR ATLEAST FIVE YEARS AND IS HOLDING GREEN CARD FOR ATLEAST THREE YEARS CAN BE ELIGIBLE FOR APPLYING THE CITIZENSHIP, and can get that on completing other Security etc. conditions.

I personally think you can get moral and voting support from US law makers on above argument, and can benefit most of the ( not all of the ) people who had long delays in getting GC.

I appreciate reactions, I am sure some of them may be harse

[TheRealCanadian]

The problem with the requirement as mentioned is that having a degree in STEM doesn't necessarily have a correlation with the work you're doing. There are plenty of folks working in high tech without an STEM degree, and plenty of folks with such a degree who are not.

I'd personally aim towards something more focused on physical presence, English fluency and periods of employment at or above a certain rate. One of the biggest weaknesses I see in immigration is an excessive focus on education rather than employability.

[pmpforgc]

I dont agree that there is excessive focus on education in the immigration system.

There are GC based on Family, Lottery but no lottery or anything like close to that on education based.

English proficiency is very low grade thing might just work for family based immigrants purpose, it is too low bar for higher educated.

Emplyment rate is hard to define or evaluate.

I think in last decade there is growing interest on immigration based on education that is why they easily give F-1 and H-1 is not hard to get for highly skilled. Also they made special provision for US educated Masters Degree for 20 K H-1 recently.

Also US is leading nation only beacause of innovation in science and that it has done in last several hunderad years by attracting best minds from world.

So I personally feel that if you propse something based on EDUCATION as well as NUMBERS OF YEARS in US, that might work.

Adding dimension like Masters or Higher Degree from US institution in STEM field along with other things that I mentioned before even can make point stronger to appeal for Early Citizenship.

Remember in last draft they talked about special F-4 visa for some one who get PHD from US institution can get directly GC.

So education is key to get anything added for early citizenship for HIGHLY SKILLED like most of who visit this board.

English proficiency may be OK for family based.