Immigration reform what about family

[indiano]

Hello Guys, Immigration reform at the doorstep.What about family immigrant.Do you all think it will be beneficial or fast processing system for the family members who has been waiting for long long years. Is there any chances for those family immigrant who had already waited 6 to 8 yesrs.Will this reform would be helpful for family immigrant or just for illegal immigrant.Please post some views.

[ix470001]

Originally Posted by indiano

Hello Guys, Immigration reform at the doorstep.What about family immigrant.Do you all think it will be beneficial or fast processing system for the family members who has been waiting for long long years. Is there any chances for those family immigrant who had already waited 6 to 8 yesrs.Will this reform would be helpful for family immigrant or just for illegal immigrant.Please post some views.

From what I've heard so far, immigration reform being proposed in Congress are mainly employment base (legal or illegal). I think Sen. Edward Kennedy have raised this issue that we should also give some attention to family based immigration as well. I hope something really happens either way.

[jcheng]

I believe Bush administration is proposing RESTRICTING family based immigration. Basically the Republican party wants to tilt the whole immigration system towards employement based --- at the cost of family related immigration.

Originally Posted by ix470001

From what I've heard so far, immigration reform being proposed in Congress are mainly employment base (legal or illegal). I think Sen. Edward Kennedy have raised this issue that we should also give some attention to family based immigration as well. I hope something really happens either way.

[dr_lha]

Originally Posted by jcheng

I believe Bush administration is proposing RESTRICTING family based immigration. Basically the Republican party wants to tilt the whole immigration system towards employement based --- at the cost of family related immigration.

There is absolutely no evidence of this, apart from an article in a Phillipino news website that apparently was based on nothing.

[thera33]

Originally Posted by dr_lha

There is absolutely no evidence of this, apart from an article in a Phillipino news website that apparently was based on nothing.

There is evidence for that. The proposal is that it will take up to 8 years to clear the current backlogs for those already waiting no matter what category, family based F1, F2B, F3 and F4 will no longer exists, also parents sponsorship will be limited. Anyone in the system before the prosed cutoff date will be OK and would see rapid processing.

It is reported that this proposal is agreed on.

[dr_lha]

Originally Posted by thera33

There is evidence for that. The proposal is that it will take up to 8 years to clear the current backlogs for those already waiting no matter what category, family based F1, F2B, F3 and F4 will no longer exists, also parents sponsorship will be limited. Anyone in the system before the prosed cutoff date will be OK and would see rapid processing.

It is reported that this proposal is agreed on.

Reported by who and where? Link please.

[thera33]

Originally Posted by dr_lha

Reported by who and where? Link please.

I guess you are not reading on the Immigration dialouge going on between the Dem and Rep Senators and white House officials at all. This proposal of eliminating family based apart from spouses and minor children has been reported in every major news media. Its hard to beleive that you have not seen this. What do you think the real problem is now in the discussions...not illegals...that has agreed upon...apart from the touch back policy. Eliminating family based is where the war has been waged.....Dems against and Rep for.

[dr_lha]

What? No link? Please show me a report of this in a major news media outlet.

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by dr_lha

What? No link? Please show me a report of this in a major news media outlet.

... and specifics of any proposal. It's interesting, when it comes to immigration process ans wersmost people here want a signed affadavit in blood from the general counsel of USCIS before they believe anything. When it comes to rumor and unsubstantiated innuendo, they'll believe anything without any corroboration.

Family-based immigration will be around for a long time.

[thera33]

Originally Posted by TheRealCanadian

... and specifics of any proposal. It's interesting, when it comes to immigration process ans wersmost people here want a signed affadavit in blood from the general counsel of USCIS before they believe anything. When it comes to rumor and unsubstantiated innuendo, they'll believe anything without any corroboration.

Family-based immigration will be around for a long time.

I guess you only read threads here.....you must read articles on washington post, yahoo, msnbc, cnn and other sites on immigration news.

Check this link.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG3APQRSQ1.DTL

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by thera33

I guess you only read threads here.....you must read articles on washington post, yahoo, msnbc, cnn and other sites on immigration news. Check this link.

I have a better link for you: S.1348

That's the actual text of the CIR legislation introduced in Congress. Let's stick to facts instead of opinions - is there a point system in there? (I honestly don't know; but I can tell you that it retains FB immigration.)

[dr_lha]

Originally Posted by thera33

I guess you only read threads here.....you must read articles on washington post, yahoo, msnbc, cnn and other sites on immigration news.

Check this link.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG3APQRSQ1.DTL

Yes, that was the only link I could find that had any relevance. Still it does not say they're scrapping familiy immigration, simply that there's an idea to give priority to smart people. Not a bad idea IMHO, but still a far cry from the idea that they're going to "scrap family immigration".

Can you point me towards the articles on the Washington Post that backs up your claim as well?

[GotPR?]

I think this is what he's talking about.. It's just an idea to prohibit USC to bring siblings and adult children.
I wouldn't call it closing door for FB. My thought is all the adult must be on their own.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050201493.html

[thera33]

Originally Posted by GotPR?

I think this is what he's talking about.. It's just an idea to prohibit USC to bring siblings and adult children.
I wouldn't call it closing door for FB. My thought is all the adult must be on their own.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050201493.html

Thank you GotPR, I guess you would make a good lawyer...Doc and Canadian...here the argument and we all have to agree.....If you are going to grant at least 12 milion people amnesty and each applicant sponsors their 6 adult kids + children if any, 6 brothers + spouses + kids, and then if each adult kids sponsors their mother/father if being born out of wedlock...then you will be looking at a population explosion. Thats why some senators are proposing cutting F1, F2B, F3 and F4 and limiting parents. I once thought this was not fair, but reality kicked in. I even think they should cut parents over certain age, and put the rest on a points based system.

I am shocked that you are not following the discussions......Canadian, you and I know that that bill will not make it in the house.

They plan to phase out family based over eight years by processing all those in line and then use the next five to process the illegals. From what I have been hearing, a deal might just come through.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/b...ION_S1.article

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...TICS/705100316

http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news...d.asp?id=64739

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by thera33

I am shocked that you are not following the discussions......Canadian, you and I know that that bill will not make it in the house.

Out of curiosity, why do you believe that S.1348 won't make it through the House?

They plan to phase out family based over eight years by processing all those in line and then use the next five to process the illegals.

I am at a loss as to how you drew such a conclusion. Two of the three (the third was down - too busy) speak of limiting FB immigration, which isn't news - it's already limited.

[indiano]

Hi Guys , We should raise our voice to senators. Just keep writing in AILA .com putting your zipcode. Why would we suffer for waiting so long.We must be rewarded for waiting. We family immigrant follow the most legal way of immigration. Family immigrant also need reform because of retrogession in each and evry category whether f1,f2,f3 or f4.You all can see how EB visa is moving 2 to 3 years.Guys we must write to our senators.Tell your pain how do we feel pain being apart from our own blood.2 to 3 days more left must write it.

[thera33]

I told you so...read this...maybe we study the law differently. Here is a picture of what is about to be debated...If you can read between the lines its goodbye for F1, F2B, F3 and F4 in the future.....only those who are already in might get a break. So much for reform!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/16/wa...n/16immig.html

[dr_lha]

You're reading a lot between the lines here I think. The emphasis will change is the only thing I see, from what I hear they will re-prioritise visas to smart people rather than people's brothers and sisters. Although that might mean a longer wait, I don't see anything saying that that all Family Based immigration categories will be destroyed.

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by thera33

I told you so...read this...maybe we study the law differently. Here is a picture of what is about to be debated...

That's not what is about to be debated. It's a newspaper article.

I have already posted a link to what has been introduced in the Senate and will be debated, yet you refuse to look at it and instead run around claiming that newspapers are more authoritative than a Senate bill.

[sbkim]

Quick question - if you submit I 130/485 sponsoring your parents before the law passes, are you not affected by the limitations being proposed by the President?

Also, after you submit the sponsorship papers, can the benefiiciary stay in the US until the application has been processed?

Thank you.

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by sbkim

Quick question - if you submit I 130/485 sponsoring your parents before the law passes, are you not affected by the limitations being proposed by the President?

What limitations? What proposals? It all depends on the specifics.

[sbkim]

I thought I recall reading that they will limite the total number of applicants or approved cases for parental sponsorship.

[sbkim]

"Under the White House proposal, legal immigrants would lose the right to petition to bring adult children and siblings to the U.S. They could do so for spouses and minor children, but their ability to sponsor parents would be severely limited.

The proposal would limit or end preferences for people who had family members living legally in the U.S., "

What does this mean for USC sponsoring parents for greencard?

[thera33]

Originally Posted by sbkim

"Under the White House proposal, legal immigrants would lose the right to petition to bring adult children and siblings to the U.S. They could do so for spouses and minor children, but their ability to sponsor parents would be severely limited.

The proposal would limit or end preferences for people who had family members living legally in the U.S., "

What does this mean for USC sponsoring parents for greencard?

Thats the million dollar question, however I was reading somewhere that the proposal was to clear the entire blacklog of those who are already waiting in line. That would take 8 years so that is why the illegals cant apply for pernament residence until after 8 years. But ther is so much bull in the media now, you dont know who is tellig the truth. I wonder if REALCANADIAN can comment on this. We are talking about the Senate because this is the bill that is also touted to be debated in the House also.

[thera33]

Originally Posted by TheRealCanadian

That's not what is about to be debated. It's a newspaper article.

I have already posted a link to what has been introduced in the Senate and will be debated, yet you refuse to look at it and instead run around claiming that newspapers are more authoritative than a Senate bill.

What are you talking about? You know that this bill is not the one that will be debated, so stop putting false hopes in peoples mind. Senators along with White House staffers are drafting a bi-partisim bill that is most likely make it to the floor. I am reading from sources who might have a clue about the details of the bill. Try and get some details about that bill and let us know.

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by thera33

What are you talking about? You know that this bill is not the one that will be debated, so stop putting false hopes in peoples mind.

Actually, I don't know one way or another. I know that's the one that has been introduced, and until something else gets introduced that's what I'm going to concentrate on. I stick to facts, not rumor and speculation.

[thera33]

Originally Posted by TheRealCanadian

That's not what is about to be debated. It's a newspaper article.

I have already posted a link to what has been introduced in the Senate and will be debated, yet you refuse to look at it and instead run around claiming that newspapers are more authoritative than a Senate bill.

Mr.Canadian, dont say I didn't say so, now the deal is reached between the Senators and the White House and I was correct. Next time you get the facts and you are the one must stop spreading rumors. It would be good for you to do some research before you make accusations.

[Micronesia]

The issue direction is already 'Nailed'.
See this news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070517/...ation_congress

[ncblackhole]

The news says there is a limit on parents .. I don't know the numbers.. it could be 50,000 per year.. or so..

does anyone know how many total parents petitions allowed per year. This could start a new nonsense of backlog in parents GC petition if the limit is small..

Someone was saying earlier that on avg there are 100,000 petitions each year for parents but the quota is 50,000 now..

Can anyone clarify?

Thanks

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by thera33

Mr.Canadian, dont say I didn't say so, now the deal is reached between the Senators and the White House and I was correct. Next time you get the facts and you are the one must stop spreading rumors. It would be good for you to do some research before you make accusations.

How many times do I need to repeat myself???

I'm going to wait until there is a bill introduced in the Senate, and I'm going to analyze and discuss that. There will be specifics, and we can all find out the effects of that bill. If you look at the article, it quotes Ted Kennedy as saying It would emphasize family ties as well as employment skills in weighing how soon immigrants could become legal residents,

I don't anticipate IR or FB2 going anywhere. FB1and FB3 may be reduced, but then again maybe not. FB4 is probably dead, but people have been talking about killing that for years now. But thanks to your speculation, we have all sorts of people asking what the specific quotas will be, and what will be eliminated or changed - and we don't know that yet. There's a good chance that we end up with a hybrid system where the old FB1 and FB3 qualifications give you the same number of "points" as an EB applicant. Who knows.

When the bill comes out, I'll address it then.