Frist's bill introduced

[JONNIE76]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.2454:

Above is the link to Frist's bill. This is really good. No provisions for guest/illegal workers.

This would have a good chance to pass. We need to push for this.

[the]

Originally Posted by JONNIE76

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.2454:

Above is the link to Frist's bill. This is really good. No provisions for guest/illegal workers.

This would have a good chance to pass. We need to push for this.

If this bill is adopted, there would be less resistance at the House compared with the committee bill. But now since it looks like the committee will submit their own bill to the full floor 03/27, how much of a chance Frist's bill will overwrite the committee's?

[munnu77705]

Not Trying To Be Greedy...but Is There A Provision For Recapturing Unused Visas In This Bill..i Dont See It..o

[softwareguy]

Except 7% to 10% dont see any other benefit.
I m surely missing the point, can someone please explain.

[can_card]

It is same as Specter's markup except the guest worker program. It is good for backlog reduction, but it has removed the elimination of per country limit in EB visas thro AC21.

We hope thios bill passes w/o any delay.

[avi101]

Originally Posted by munnu77705

Not Trying To Be Greedy...but Is There A Provision For Recapturing Unused Visas In This Bill..i Dont See It..o

Yes. See C(i) below ... its SUM of 290K + captures

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Worldwide Level of Employment-Based Immigrants-

`(1) IN GENERAL- Subject to paragraph (2), the worldwide level of employment-based immigrants under this subsection for a fiscal year is equal to the SUM of --

`(A) 290,000;

`(B) the difference between the maximum number of visas authorized to be issued under this subsection during the previous fiscal year and the number of visas issued during the previous fiscal year; and

`(C) the difference between--

`(i) the maximum number of visas authorized to be issued under this subsection during fiscal years 2001 through 2005 and the number of visa numbers issued under this subsection during those fiscal years; and

`(ii) the number of visas calculated under clause (i) that were issued after fiscal year 2005.

[kamrans]

Looks like we have a win win situation. IF either of the bill is passed we can acheive our goals.
But I wish that Frist bill will pass as it will clear out most of the mess created by illegals.
Good Luck to all.

[munnu77705]

Originally Posted by kamrans

Looks like we have a win win situation. IF either of the bill is passed we can acheive our goals.
But I wish that Frist bill will pass as it will clear out most of the mess created by illegals.
Good Luck to all.

THANKS AVIO101...y cant they just speak english...cant read and try to understand all these legal words whn boss passes my desk every mint

[atl_fp]

Does it exclude dependencies from that 290K like Specter's?

Originally Posted by avi101

Yes. See C(i) below ... its SUM of 290K + captures

-----------------------------
Worldwide Level of Employment-Based Immigrants-

`(1) IN GENERAL- Subject to paragraph (2), the worldwide level of employment-based immigrants under this subsection for a fiscal year is equal to the SUM of --

`(A) 290,000;

`(B) the difference between the maximum number of visas authorized to be issued under this subsection during the previous fiscal year and the number of visas issued during the previous fiscal year; and

`(C) the difference between--

`(i) the maximum number of visas authorized to be issued under this subsection during fiscal years 2001 through 2005 and the number of visa numbers issued under this subsection during those fiscal years; and

`(ii) the number of visas calculated under clause (i) that were issued after fiscal year 2005.

[avi101]

looks like it does.. para (1) was what I had posted earlier
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`(2) VISAS FOR SPOUSES AND CHILDREN- Immigrant visas issued on or after October 1, 2004, to spouses and children of employment-based immigrants shall not be counted against the numerical limitation set forth in paragraph (1).'.

[saras76]

Originally Posted by munnu77705

THANKS AVIO101...y cant they just speak english...cant read and try to understand all these legal words whn boss passes my desk every mint

munnu77705,

All this legal jargon provides job security to lawyers. If everyone could write and understand these laws then lawyers would be out of a job. Its funny how they make simple things seem so complex by adding fancy words and being cryptic.

Anyway, I think these latest developments are positive for the legal community. Its high time we got some fair treatment. Although I do not want illegals to get preference over us I do hope they get some relief. They also deserve some sort of resolution to their problems.

What really needs to happen is that illegal and legal immigration needs to be handled separately and not lumped together. Neither one gets anything when they are both thrown together in the same bill.

regards,

saras76

[GOD_BLESS_YOU]

send your comments on this bill to him directly..

http://www.immigrationportal.com/sho...d.php?t=207174

[kamrans]

I filled out the questionnaire but there is no option to send the comments. Am I missing something?.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by GOD_BLESS_YOU

send your comments on this bill to him directly..

http://www.immigrationportal.com/sho...d.php?t=207174

[BoxOfChocs]

Originally Posted by kamrans

I filled out the questionnaire but there is no option to send the comments. Am I missing something?.

Thanks.

Look at where the option of contact us is given!

[texancanadian]

We shouldnt worry about Senate. They will pass either Specter's or Frist's bill.
We should be worried about Congress. They will block everything.
No Congressman wants to ease Immigration in election year.

[garbarsarbar]

Guys:

I don't want to discourage you, but just heard from experts on Fox News channel that this whole immigration bill is going to blow up during conference with house. They all said immigration is politically too sensitive in this election year to be passed by the 109th congress. Both pro- and anti- immigrant congressmen are just tring to win votes by taking pro- and anti- immigrant stances. Seems to me just a big drama being played by these politicians who know very well this thing is not going anywhere. So don't expect any outcome until the November elections.

Sorry, I know feelings of many of you will be hurt, but its better to get hurt in the very beginning rather than after a few weeks of accumulating hope and then seeing that being blown with the wind.

[charlotteperson]

Amen to that. I think so too, Mybe next year they will change the legislation to recapture unused visa but tis year seems tough

[saras76]

Originally Posted by charlotteperson

Amen to that. I think so too, Mybe next year they will change the legislation to recapture unused visa but tis year seems tough

I agree with your reservations and have my own doubts that either of these bills will make it to law. The only hope is that an "Enforcement" heavy bill gets to Congress and is presented as such instead of a bill that blatantly provides amnesty to illegals or eases immigration. If the bill is tilted towards two key political positions, "Securing Americas Borders" and "Enforcing Immigration Policy", more congressman will jump on board in order to win votes by siding with a bill that tries to tackle the supposed problems at the border. The whole thing hinges on the perception of the US public. If we get lucky, the bill will take on the shape of "immigration reform by way of enforcement" and not "amnesty for illegals". If this happens then provisions for legal immigrants may get through by tagging along with the enforcement provisions. A bill without enforcement measures at the core will surely fail. There is no doubt about that.

This being election year, it is to hard to predict what might happen. Decisions are not going to be made out of logic or fairness, they are all going to be politically motivated. We have to hope that somehow we end up in someones political favor and get through. Its going to be tough.

regards,

saras76

[TheInquisitor]

the election is overrated. what, how many anti-immigrants will vote for democrats? and if they stay home, the dems will win. and if the dems win, more immigration.

but yes, it will be somewhat of a factor. but enforcement has to be key and at the core. and don't make the mistake of making friends with tancredo and others. unless you are the next bill gates and from sweden, they have no use for you.

i like frist's bill for th emost part. now it needs a couple of other things and a wall and verification system.

ok guys im confussed, what is specters bill and what id frists bill????? thankx

[nishokie]

I called Bill Frist's office yesterday to show support for the Frist's immigration bill. I told the phone operator my side of the story as well.

If you guys have the time, please call Bill Frist @ 615-3529411.