How long dependents can be out of Country?

[Fort_User]

I am the primary GC holder and I got through EB1(OR).

I am planning to send my kids to my Country for education for two years. Will it affect their Citizenship?

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by Fort_User

I am planning to send my kids to my Country for education for two years. Will it affect their Citizenship?

Of course. They are GC holders, and subject to the same residency requirements as yourself.

[sg_orl]

Originally Posted by Fort_User

I am the primary GC holder and I got through EB1(OR).

I am planning to send my kids to my Country for education for two years. Will it affect their Citizenship?

There is no such thing like primary GC holder. You may have been the petitioner and your kids were the beneficiary at the time you applied for the green card. After getting the green cards, everyone has the same status as a green card holder.

Your kids will have apply for a reentry permit to stay away from the US. Reentry permit is for visits between 1 to 2 years. They have to be back within two years. If they don't, they will abandon their green cards. They will break their continous residency requirements for the citizenship. If they meet all the other requirements, they will be eligible to apply for citizenship, 4 years + 1 day from the day they return back to the US after their long abscence of > 1 year. Check out the USCIS website for detailed citizenship and reentry permit requirements.

[Fort_User]

Hi The RealCanadian,

Thank you for your info.

I lost around 100K for GC(Stuck with employer).

I am going to spend atleast 100-150K for day care/pvt schools in USA.

Uncle SAM gives money and take it back quitely.

[pralay]

Originally Posted by Fort_User

I am going to spend atleast 100-150K for day care/pvt schools in USA.

What's wrong with public school?

[Fort_User]

Hi sg_orl and ****,

Thank you for your information.

Hi ****,

I visited the web site quoted by you. In the website, it is indicated that, If parents are already Citizens, then children won't have any issues to become Citizenship. But, how about green card holders who leave their kids to other (foreign) countries?.

[Fort_User]

Originally Posted by pralay

What's wrong with public school?

I think Pralay is a Bachelor

In US, govt schools dismiss their classes at 2.30 PM. Afterwards, we have to arrange for Day Care. Another pathetic situation is, in my area the school starts at 8.45 AM. They won't take before 8.30 AM, So i have arranged for one more day care in the morning in between 7.30 and 8.30 AM.

[max2k1]

Originally Posted by Fort_User

I think Pralay is a Bachelor

In US, govt schools dismiss their classes at 2.30 PM. Afterwards, we have to arrange for Day Care. Another pathetic situation is, in my area the school starts at 8.45 AM. They won't take before 8.30 AM, So i have arranged for one more day care in the morning in between 7.30 and 8.30 AM.

Ahem ... having kids is a decision you take *AFTER* considering all of these issues
Its kinda too late now to think back

[adibazz]

Couldn't resist to comment, but most of the people go though this situation where both parents work. I don't know your exact situation, but it looks to me that you are trying to get best of both the worlds. And it is not possible to achieve it 100%. To get it as best as you can, you have to learn balancing based on your situation. It sounds too preachy but you are the best judge of your situation.

Originally Posted by Fort_User

I think Pralay is a Bachelor

In US, govt schools dismiss their classes at 2.30 PM. Afterwards, we have to arrange for Day Care. Another pathetic situation is, in my area the school starts at 8.45 AM. They won't take before 8.30 AM, So i have arranged for one more day care in the morning in between 7.30 and 8.30 AM.

[Fort_User]

Originally Posted by ****

What's wrong with one parent staying at home or working halftime?

My wife is a Doctor. So, we get enough money for survival. But, we got GC through me. So, if i am at home, what will happen to my Citizenship?

N:B: I am really happy to be at Home

Watching movies in a Massage Chair(all kind of movies in the world + Chill beer in my right hand ) is much nicer than working with my Boss.

[pralay]

Originally Posted by Fort_User

So, if i am at home, what will happen to my Citizenship?

Hmmmm, it seems Rajiv Khanna's "don't worry" still did not provide enough assurance for a big proponent of "don't worry".

[Fort_User]

Originally Posted by pralay

a big proponent of "don't worry".

I hope every body (including you ) is proponent of "don't worry". However, my case is different (doing nothing).

[pralay]

Originally Posted by Fort_User

However, my case is different (doing nothing).

Every case is different. Especially, one's own case more different (and more valuable, hence needs more caution) from others. (this is amazing!)

Don't worry. Quit your job NOW. Nothing will happen to your citizenship. I never saw anyone's citizenship got denied for "doing nothing". Check citizenship criteria here:
http://boards.immigration.com/showth...89#post1112589

"Doing nothing" is not an eligibility criteria.

[Fort_User]

I am fan of "Don't Worry". Because i will be caught if USCIS make a rule of 1 year one must work etc.. That's why i hate any body insist/support it.

Hi Pralay,

Beleive me....I am going to resign my job next week. This is because my kids school started now.

But i am resigning based on one of your above assurances. If any thing goes wrong....my curse will be on you

[pralay]

Originally Posted by Fort_User

I am fan of "Don't Worry". Because i will be caught if USCIS make a rule of 1 year one must work etc.. That's why i hate any body insist/support it.
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Actually I haven't seen anyone in this forum who is supporting USCIS to make rule. Many of us advised to take caution. But there are people who were giving blanket "don't worry" to people who were asking about this issue (leaving job immediately after getting GC). Keep in mind, even Rajiv Khanna did not do that, but he explained the whole matter and wrote those two words as postscript.

In fact it's apparent now that you also did your homework and did not resign immediately after getting GC. But what amazed me that while you did your homework and took caution about it, you were preaching other people that it's OK to leave job immediately after getting GC.

[Fort_User]

Hi Pralay,

I worked in the similar job after my GC. But, i never worked for the sponsorer who sponsored my GC. I got GC based on Future Employment offer.

So i am not preaching for others.

[pralay]

Originally Posted by Fort_User

I worked in the similar job after my GC. But, i never worked for the sponsorer who sponsored my GC. I got GC based on Future Employment offer.

I guess you are EB1 and you have self-petitioned I-140, right?

[Fort_User]

No.

EB1(OR).

I140 filed by employer.

[arizonian]

Education is not just about scores and moving on to higher grades every year. Familiarity with the culture and people, and confidence that they are as good or better than their peers is important for children in their formative years.

I know of many parents who work very hard in their home countries so their children can have a good education in the US. And you, whose spouse is a physician (earns good $$$) here in the US, are thinking of sending your kids back?

Why do you want your children to go back to their home country and come back years later as "foreigners". Remember that they have a much better chances of getting in good colleges and landing better jobs if they are educated locally. It makes all the difference.

You, as a foreigner (i.e. alien) should know this better than anyone else.

[Fort_User]

Hi Arizonian,

If you analyze USA's scientific growth, it depends mainly experts from other countries. That's why they are liberal on Green Cards.

The survey says that, who is in USA for one generation, his/her next generation kids are become typical American. Unable to compete with experts coming from other countries (Due to culture, ease of earning $ etc).

Though USA population is 300 Million, why they bring so many experts from other countries?

You ask Bill Gates. If H1B visa is not there, Microsoft is not there.

In Medical Field, right now 40% doctors are foreigners, in spite of quoto given to local People (Local people get admission with 80% marks...where us other countries expert come with 99% marks).

There is a talk in senate level that, experts from various countries may be brought in with green card in future.

[arizonian]

So true, but the point still remains that if you are as good as an american, you can forget about getting that job. You have to be much better and work much harder than your competitors to get their jobs. Coversely, if your kids are smart/hard working enough to get 99%, they will be looking at an entirely different level of employment/jobs.

In medicine, the best specialities/jobs are for all practical purposes, off limits to the "foreign medical graduates", no matter what your scores are and no matter how smart you are. This not so for the second generation children of aliens, who are almost at par with the locals. I am sure that applies to other occupations also.

[pralay]

Originally Posted by Fort_User

The survey says that, who is in USA for one generation, his/her next generation kids are become typical American. Unable to compete with experts coming from other countries (Due to culture, ease of earning $ etc).

I don't think this "typical American" is very special mentality in America, but very common in every country. People get lazy when it's easy to earn money. I am from India and even our granfathers or fathers did not have to put too much effort to get a good job - like school teacher job. I guess that time they were just "typical Indian". But in our generation we learned from childhood that if we cannot get into engineering or medical degrees we are not going to get any job. That's the way we become competitive. So what I understood that basically you want to throw your kids into very same tough water where you come from and make them competitive. What would I call it? "Typical ......."?

Secondly, what "culture" are you talking about? Is American culture is bad?

I know a person who went back to Bangalore to raise his kids, in "Indian culture". He kind of puzzled that all the kids there are more Americanized (actually it's not Americanized, but MTV-ised or Hollywoodised) than "typical Americans" here we normally see in USA.

Originally Posted by Fort_User

You ask Bill Gates. If H1B visa is not there, Microsoft is not there.

BTW, Bill Gates is not immigrant. And, he is a school dropout but he is still the richest person. Probably he is a product of "bad American culture", right?

[qwertyisback]

What a intellectual show off(or crap ). Why these super(fake) brains wasting(Bsing ) their precious time with mortal immigration community??? Go on , we are ignoring.

[pralay]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

What a intellectual show off(or crap ). Why these super(fake) brains wasting(Bsing ) their precious time with mortal immigration community??? Go on , we are ignoring.

What a joke! When you post, it means you failed to "ignore" .
When you cannot post it right, you are ignored

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by pralay

What a joke! When you post, it means you failed to "ignore" .
When you cannot post it right, you are ignored

Its not YOU. Extremely sorry for your confusion. But don't worry, your brain still shows some signs of activity. Keep it UP.

[pralay]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

Its not YOU. Extremely sorry for your confusion. But don't worry, your brain still shows some signs of activity. Keep it UP.

Even if it not me, but it was still a good joke, right?

[arizonian]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

What a intellectual show off(or crap ). Why these super(fake) brains wasting(Bsing ) their precious time with mortal immigration community??? Go on , we are ignoring.

Qwerty, this is just general talk. These are issues that face us every day.

It just feels like show off to you because an intellectual like yourself is unable to comprehend it/relate to it. (Lest you take this as a compliment, I must clarify that I am joking)

And we can see that you are "ignoring" this by posting this nonsense.

[Fort_User]

Originally Posted by pralay

That's the way we become competitive. So what I understood that basically you want to throw your kids into very same tough water where you come from and make them competitive. What would I call it? "Typical ......."??

What's wrong in keeping kids in that situation? Now, Your parents are happy about your status.. right?

Had my dad settled in USA, i might have already divorced Sarah and Julie and dating Maria with my diploma in Pharmacy or High school certificate. (I am quoting based on average statistics not on individual exceptions).

Originally Posted by pralay

Secondly, what "culture" are you talking about? Is American culture is bad?

Can you select a girl from the following list to marry.

1. American Girl
2.ABCD girl
3.Educated girl with good family back ground from your home town.

Your selection is my answer.

Originally Posted by pralay

I know a person who went back to Bangalore to raise his kids, in "Indian culture". He kind of puzzled that all the kids there are more Americanized (actually it's not Americanized, but MTV-ised or Hollywoodised) than "typical Americans" here we normally see in USA.

I am quoted everything based on average statistics not on individual exceptions.

Originally Posted by pralay

BTW, Bill Gates is not immigrant. And, he is a school dropout but he is still the richest person. Probably he is a product of "bad American culture", right?

I never said he is a genius Technology wise.

I have visited rich Middle East Countries. Their Governments have several Engineering colleges/Universities Across country. Driver of the student drove the car up to the class room. Another servant carried the student's cell phone and kept it on his table. So Luxury. Very good infrastructure. All the faculties are from leading Universities. But, students are miserably failing quality wise.

So, the bottom line is, as you said don't show the Luxury while studying...put them in competitive atmosphere along with good culture. This is my strong opinion.

[pralay]

Originally Posted by Fort_User

What's wrong in keeping kids in that situation?

There is nothing wrong (it's not black and white), as long as your kids appreciate your decision to send them in India when they grow up.

Originally Posted by Fort_User

Now, Your parents are happy about your status.. right?

I sounds to me only parent's (you) happiness matter, not what kids wants or whether they will appreciate in future.

Yes, my parents are happy, not because I came to USA as immigrant earning lots of $$$$, but because I am happy.

Originally Posted by Fort_User

Had my dad settled in USA, i might have already divorced Sarah and Julie and dating Maria with my diploma in Pharmacy or High school certificate. (I am quoting based on average statistics not on individual exceptions).

Here is another "average statistics" - India being mainly a patriarch society, women do not enjoy that much freedom as they do in western world. Many women live without dignity, respect and not having ability to make decisions of their lives under the control of husbands and in-laws. If you have a daughter, I guess you want your daughter to live in the domain of "average statistics", right?

If you do not like a society and it's not your own society (or cannot adopt it as your own), I think you have an option to leave that society.

On the other hand, if your dad settled in USA, atleast you don't have to work (working with boss! ) to get GC or citizenship (I am assuming you are happy and satisfied without work). That would have made your life lot easier.

Originally Posted by Fort_User

Can you select a girl from the following list to marry.

1. American Girl
2.ABCD girl
3.Educated girl with good family back ground from your home town.

Your selection is my answer.

Well, in reality I got married to a girl whom I met and loved. It really does not matter if she has label of "American", "ABCD" or something else. She is a "girl". I did not plan my partner in a certain mould, qualification or with certain eligibility criteria. I hope you don't too. This my answer. I would like to hear if that is your answer too (as you mentioned).

Originally Posted by Fort_User

I never said he is a genius Technology wise.

Technology is not the only scale to measure "genius". Every people in society doesn't need to be Einstein to be successful member in a society (or to make that society successful). Genius is defined by achivements, success and ability to apply his/her idea/concept and get result out of it. There are many people with highter qualifications and better knowledge could not achieve anything. I would not call them "genius".

Originally Posted by Fort_User

I have visited rich Middle East Countries. Their Governments have several Engineering colleges/Universities Across country. Driver of the student drove the car up to the class room. Another servant carried the student's cell phone and kept it on his table. So Luxury. Very good infrastructure. All the faculties are from leading Universities. But, students are miserably failing quality wise.

First of all, those students came from rich families. Education is extra-curricular activities for them. They will still be living in luxary if they don't go to college/university. There is no reward in society for being engineers or doctor. In India this reward is getting a good job and possibily coming to USA. In USA the reward is having higher middle class family and able buy afford home, cars and go to vacation anywhere in the word. In middle east, are those students going to get super-luxary (from luxary) if they get get quality learning in college? The answer is NO. And that's why they fail. It's not a mistake of teachers or students, but it's the way those societies are. To be frank, those kids don't need engineer/medical degrees. They go to college because it's timepass for their youth-life (when their parents are managing the businesses). I guess 10th grade education, able to read and learn certain languages (like English) and a few courses in Economics (so that they can manage their parent's business better in future) - that's all they need.

Originally Posted by Fort_User

So, the bottom line is, as you said don't show the Luxury while studying...put them in competitive atmosphere along with good culture. This is my strong opinion.

Define luxary. Cellphone, car? Oh, nowadays those things are affordable for students in India too - as long their parents are rich. Competitiveness? There India has an edge in certain colleges (not all). It has no relation with luxary. But it is due to lack of jobs in India and lack of of enough higher-education opportunities in India. Keep in mind, IITs and other good engineering colleges can take only a small fraction of aspiring students compare to total number of students in India. It's lots tougher to get admission in IIM or IIT than in MIT or Harvard.

[arizonian]

You say: "Can you select a girl from the following list to marry.

1. American Girl
2.ABCD girl
3.Educated girl with good family back ground from your home town.

Your selection is my answer."


Well, you want a girl from your home town. And that is understandable. But why would someone else want a girl from your home town. Let us say someone born and brought up in UK, UAE, Russia or USA. They would never want a girl from your home town. They would prefer girls from their home towns to the one from your home town.

Get the point?

So this argument does not fly.