AR-11 why do they ask for employers name or name of school

[TheEnquirer]

hi

I was wondering why a permanent resident applying for a Reentry permit is asked for the employers name or name of school.

what if one is quiting /layed off froma company (gets a huge package)
and wants ot move to a less expensive place and wants to ahve a huge vacation!!!!!!!!!

point is once if ur a permanent resident why does the federal govt care whether ur working or going to school

or is it ok to not fillup anything ?

[Studious]

Originally Posted by TheEnquirer

hi

I was wondering why a permanent resident applying for a Reentry permit is asked for the employers name or name of school.

what if one is quiting /layed off froma company (gets a huge package)
and wants ot move to a less expensive place and wants to ahve a huge vacation!!!!!!!!!

point is once if ur a permanent resident why does the federal govt care whether ur working or going to school

or is it ok to not fillup anything ?

No. When you apply for citizenship later, you may be asked to furnish your tax details with your current and previous employers.

[TheEnquirer]

if this time frame does not fall in the "last 5 years" before i apply for citizenship then i dont have to furnish any details regarding this.

i was told the citizenship asks for the hsitory of employment / tax details for the last 5 years befoe u apply. ( in 99.9 % case atleast)

[Studious]

Originally Posted by TheEnquirer

if this time frame does not fall in the "last 5 years" before i apply for citizenship then i dont have to furnish any details regarding this.

i was told the citizenship asks for the hsitory of employment / tax details for the last 5 years befoe u apply. ( in 99.9 % case atleast)

Mentioning that you are unemployed/laidoff will not hurt you. Clearly furnish whatever details immigration authorities have asked for.

[arizonian]

Originally Posted by TheEnquirer

hi

I was wondering why a permanent resident applying for a Reentry permit is asked for the employers name or name of school.

what if one is quiting /layed off froma company (gets a huge package)
and wants ot move to a less expensive place and wants to ahve a huge vacation!!!!!!!!!

point is once if ur a permanent resident why does the federal govt care whether ur working or going to school

or is it ok to not fillup anything ?

First, the US has to be the place of your "permanent residence". That is the whole purpose of your "Permanent Resident Status" in the first place. So if the "less expensive place" is outside the US, that does not work. Intermittant visits are another matter.

The federal govt. does not care what you do as long as you do not become a public liability.

Last but not the least, you need to stay with your employer for a "reasonable time" before quitting.

[TheEnquirer]

sorry i was not clear.

"So if the "less expensive place" is outside the US....."
I meant anywhere inside the US only.

so to put it in a different way of asking...

I am a permanent resident and want to move to a less expensive place (like oklahoma,.IOWA..) for a little while and not asking any money (like unpemployment benefits formt he govt and still file tax)

so now ..... why the heck does the AR-11 form need to know who you work for or what u study???? - thats the real question

the INS/USCIS can ask you all you want reg employment if u apply for unemployment benefits!!!!!!!!

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by TheEnquirer

I am a permanent resident and want to move to a less expensive place (like oklahoma,.IOWA..) for a little while and not asking any money (like unpemployment benefits formt he govt and still file tax) so now ..... why the heck does the AR-11 form need to know who you work for or what u study???? - thats the real question

The AR-11 needs to know because DHS wants to know, and they have the legal right to ask you. And if you don't tell the truth, they can deport you. What you answer is irrelevant, so long as it is true.

[TheEnquirer]

why do they have a legal right to know?

ofcourse big brother wants to know everything you do.

the question here is not what is a fact . yes all of us knows Federal govt would want to know what you do./ work /study /sleep?

its more of a debate: is permanent residency given to on a condition that you have to either work or study? if NOT why do u ask for the info.

for ex: for H-1B you can ask where you work because its tied to work/job whereas the GC is NOT. - so is a student visa - to where u study.

most folks will not see a problem because they either work or study.....but that does NOT mean federal govt can ask u the details.

my point is if there is a real/good reason then sure why not give the info they want.
but if NOT dont be a sucker and wag your tail in front of the feds - just because they gave u a green card and u are happy to be a PR. know your rights.

p.s: besides there is more than one way to get a green card ( spousal - if u have an at home spouse - then u do leave a blank for study/work)

I honestly think they kinda combined the AR-11 form for visitor/student/other(ex: H-1B) with the permanent resident....

since permanent resident is more closer to citizenship....they can come up with a form for Permanent residents only (AR-11B or soemthing) which doesNOT ask for where u work or study

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by TheEnquirer

why do they have a legal right to know?

Because the INA says they do, and the courts have upheld it.

its more of a debate: is permanent residency given to on a condition that you have to either work or study? if NOT why do u ask for the info.

Because they want to know, and have the right to ask. What is so difficult to comprehend about this? The US government wants to know what foreign citizens are up to when they are in the US, and the courts have said that this is a legitimate desire.

most folks will not see a problem because they either work or study.....but that does NOT mean federal govt can ask u the details.

Yes it does.

but if NOT dont be a sucker and wag your tail in front of the feds - just because they gave u a green card and u are happy to be a PR. know your rights.

Tell you what, why don't you refuse to answer and get back to us with what happens? I know what rights I have, and most importantly what rights I do NOT have.

besides there is more than one way to get a green card ( spousal - if u have an at home spouse - then u do leave a blank for study/work)

Exactly. Which is why it doesn't matter what you answer, so long as it is true. If you don't work or study, you can leave them blank. If you do work or study and refuse to answer, you have committed a deportable offense.

since permanent resident is more closer to citizenship....they can come up with a form for Permanent residents only (AR-11B or soemthing) which doesNOT ask for where u work or study

Since permanent residency originated as "alien registration" during WW2, they are under no obligation to come with a form that doesn't ask these questions.

[TheEnquirer]

not disclosing information is not akin to disclosing false information and I checked with my lawyer.... its NOT deportable offence.

it is if u lie. ( have u heard athis: anything you SAY will be used against u in the court of law)
they can ask u to give them more info. but not deport you.

see i give repsect to other peoples opinion:

my point was and is : federal govt does not have boundaries (that is state boundary) if u r a permanent resident: that means US Permanent resident.
and they knwo what u do with respect ot money (anywhere u work: u can even beg ) when u fiel the income tax.
that is the reason its a necessity for PRs to file tax.

and i agree INS needs to know where u live for law enforcement point of view.

so it goes like this:
If a permanent resident tells the FED that he is living in a certain place (via AR-11 form)
and
also tells the FED that he is making so and so from either an employer or on his own (via filing a tax)

then that is all what they need to know.

YES I WILL NOT FILLUP the blanks and let the forum know what happens.