Does "Draft" applicable to PR's/naturalised citizens

[qwertyisback]

Hi,
Does anybody know about "Draft" laws?? Does PR's/naturalised citizens are subject to draft??

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

Hi,
Does anybody know about "Draft" laws?? Does PR's/naturalised citizens are subject to draft??

Of course.

check this government agency (selective service system) website out

http://www.sss.gov

The disadvantage for PR to serve in the US army is to runthe risk
of being treated as mercernery, not protected by Genevan Concention.

In case of a war fighting with yoru citizen country, you can be
considered as a traitor by yoru hoem country

[PhillyKP]

http://uscis.gov/graphics/citizenshi...sponsibilities
As a permanent resident, it is your responsibility to:

• Obey all federal, state, and local laws.

• Pay federal, state, and local income taxes.

• Register with the Selective Service (U.S. Armed Forces), if you are a male between ages 18 and 26. See Register With the Selective Service for instructions.

• Maintain your immigration status.

• Carry proof of your permanent resident status at all times.

http://uscis.gov/graphics/citizenshi...tive%20Service
Register With the Selective Service
If you are a man and you are 18 to 26 years old, you must register with the Selective Service. When you register, you tell the government that you are available to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces. The United States does not have a military draft now. Permanent residents and citizens do not have to serve in the Armed Forces unless they want to.

You can register at a United States post office or on the Internet. To register for Selective Service on the Internet, visit the Selective Service website: http://www.sss.gov. To speak with someone from the Selective Service, call 1-847-688-6888. This is not a free call.

You can also find information on the USCIS website http://www.uscis.gov.

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by AmericanWannabe

Of course.

check this government agency (selective service system) website out

http://www.sss.gov

The disadvantage for PR to serve in the US army is to runthe risk
of being treated as mercernery, not protected by Genevan Concention.

In case of a war fighting with yoru citizen country, you can be
considered as a traitor by yoru hoem country

Is this "selective Service" is same as "draft"??

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by PhillyKP

The United States does not have a military draft now.

Exactly, thats what I thought, "Selective service" is kind of ongoing thing but "draft" is something adhoc... Is it right??

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

Is this "selective Service" is same as "draft"??

Chekc that websuite out. All the info is there.

It is registration for draft. Once draft is invoked, regiostrant of SS
will be sleetcted randomly from to age group down.

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

Exactly, thats what I thought, "Selective service" is kind of ongoing thing but "draft" is something adhoc... Is it right??

Draft can be re-started. Bush promised no draft during election campaign and Kerry predict he would inevitably invoke the draft.

To invoke the draft, an act of the congress is needed.

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by AmericanWannabe

Chekc that websuite out. All the info is there.

It is registration for draft. Once draft is invoked, regiostrant of SS
will be sleetcted randomly from to age group down.

SO does that mean that age group 18-26 are only subject to draft?? As thats what the requirement for "Selective Services"...

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

SO does that mean that age group 18-26 are only subject to draft?? As thats what the requirement for "Selective Services"...

Yes by current laws (if one day there is a major war that need massive manpower. law will be changed to include all ages)

So if you are past 26 years and did not register with SS when you were 18-26 as required, now it is too late for you to correct wrong.
You won't get some benefits like eligibility for federal job,
soem fedrela student aid, US citizenship, etc for the rest of yoru life unless you can
prove your failure to register is unwilling

As for criminal prosecution, I don't know statute of limitation

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by AmericanWannabe

Yes by current laws (if one day there is a major war that need massive manpower. law will be changed to include all ages)

So if you are past 26 years and did not register with SS when you were 18-26 as required, now it is too late for you to correct wrong.
You won't get some benefits like eligibility for federal job,
soem fedrela student aid, US citizenship, etc for the rest of yoru life unless you can
prove your failure to register is unwilling

As for criminal prosecution, I don't know statute of limitation

When does this age factor is calculated??your age when you landed on US soil on H1 visa or age at the time of becoming PR?

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

When does this age factor is calculated??your age when you landed on US soil on H1 visa or age at the time of becoming PR?

The age of your becoming PR. H1 and F1 etc are exempt. But if you
ever lost yoru statu when you were 18-26 on US soil, then you
shoul dhave registered.

By law, all males 18-26 (citizens, PRs, illegal aliens) are
required to regisster unless already served in armed forces

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by AmericanWannabe

The age of your becoming PR. H1 and F1 etc are exempt. But if you
ever lost yoru statu when you were 18-26 on US soil, then you
shoul dhave registered.

By law, all males 18-26 (citizens, PRs, illegal aliens) are
required to regisster unless already served in armed forces

So PR's under 26,if drafted and selected, has to go on war? RIGHT. Do PR's have choice or not??

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

So PR's under 26,if drafted and selected, has to go on war? RIGHT. Do PR's have choice or not??

No _legal_ choice rather than go to war unless you leave
the states also mean automatically give up your GC.

You can apply for COnsicentious Objector statu,
which is very hard to get.

But I don't know what is teh case if a PR living baorad with re-entry permit
(Ironically, **** would do a profound research if he were here)

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by AmericanWannabe

No _legal_ choice rather than go to war unless you leave
the states also mean automatically give up your GC.

You can apply for COnsicentious Objector statu,
which is very hard to get.

What do you mean by "no_legal_choice"?? Can PR's say No to "draft" and give up GC and leave country ?? Is this is legal or NOT??

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

What do you mean by "no_legal_choice"?? Can PR's say No to "draft" and give up GC and leave country ?? Is this is legal or NOT??

Didn't I say "unless"?

If you don't want to give your PR, then you
don't have any _legal_ way to avoid it.

You can just ignore the draft, but such doing is
apparently is illegal

As I said, you may get a re-entry permit to stay abroad
but I am not sure. **** is not here otherwise he would
come up with something

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by AmericanWannabe

Missing his buddy.

Come on,You too are giving lot of insights . Members, start chimming in, so that "AW" don't miss his buddy that much.

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by AmericanWannabe

Didn't I say "unless"?

If you don't want to give your PR, then you
don't have any _legal_ way to avoid it.

I really like that there is a choice for PR's and its very comforting.
But,when I checked that site, I didn't find anywhere that PR can refuse draft or something like that. How you reached above conclusion??

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

I really like that there is a choice for PR's and its very comforting.
But,when I checked that site, I didn't find anywhere that PR can refuse draft or something like that. How you reached above conclusion??

What conclusion? I said there is no legal way to get around it
unless you leave the state4s to give up your PR status

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by AmericanWannabe

What conclusion? I said there is no legal way to get around it
unless you leave the state4s to give up your PR status

So you are suggesting "Run away" kind of plan. OK. I thought you want to say that if selected in draft, PR can say NO , give up his GC and leave country.
Is it RIGHT??

In that case, that option is available to everybody, just RUN AWAY, I don't think thats very respectable option anyway.

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

So you are suggesting "Run away" kind of plan. OK. I thought you want to say that if selected in draft, PR can say NO , give up his GC and leave country.
Is it RIGHT??

In that case, that option is available to everybody, just RUN AWAY, I don't think thats very respectable option anyway.

You can leave before you get draft notice for sure.
I don't know if after you get draft first, is it still legal
to leave the states with the intent only to avoid draft).

[qwertyisback]

Sr/jr/ members, whats your take on this issue??

Can PR say no to draft ??(PR might give up his/her GC, if required) And does law gives PR such choice or not??

This might be very sensitive issue for PR's under 26 especially...(And might be for others too). So knowing answer to above q/s is very important.

"AW" suggests "Run AWAY" stratergy, but everybody has lot of more at stake here in US than just lives, like family, schooling,home,Bank A/c,investments, commitments etc. So there has to be some respectable way out to somebody who don't want draft... Please share your comments

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

Sr/jr/ members, whats your take on this issue??

Can PR say no to draft ??(PR might give up his/her GC, if required) And does law gives PR such choice or not??

This might be very sensitive issue for PR's under 26 especially...(And might be other too). So knowing answer to above q/s is very important.

"AW" suggests "Run AWAY" stratergy, but everybody has lot of more at stake here in US than just lives, like family, schooling,home,Bank A/c,investments, commitments etc. So there has to be some respectable way out to somebody who don't want draft... Please share your comments

I did not suggest that I only say you can legally do it.

[TheRealCanadian]

Why are all of you acting like hysterical women over a draft that is never going to happen?

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by TheRealCanadian

Why are all of you acting like hysterical women over a draft that is never going to happen?

I believe it is very likely to happen but it won't affect us but
our males children.

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by TheRealCanadian

Why are all of you acting like hysterical women over a draft that is never going to happen?

But what if it happens??? And if I am under 26 (which I am not), I would definately find out answer. And if it starts for under 26, then it can start for under 30 (which I am) as well. So please spell out anything you know about it.

And How are you so sure that it won't happen?? Even Kerry suggested that possibility in election...

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

But what if it happens??? And if I am under 26 (which I am not), I would definately find out answer. And if starts for under 26, then it can start for under 30 (which I am) as well. So please spell out anything you know about it.

And How are you so sure that it won't happen?? Even Kerry suggested that possibility in election...

Before teh war some people estimated that 500,000 troops are needed to get Iraqi under control but Bush bet 100,000 would do it.
Who is right is too early to tell. But if Bush was wrong then he or the his successor got to increase the level. And when the lev increase,
if volunteers are not enough, then the draft is needed


Once you mount a tiger, then you have to tame it or
eventually be eaten by it. Getting off is not
a solution

But this is a political topic so that let's stop.

But the question of PR facingf potential draft is a legitmate relevent question to this forum

[qwertyisback]

ar888, can you ask Rajiv to make comment on this issue?

[TheRealCanadian]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

But what if it happens???

What if an asteroid destroys the earth? What if mutant Amazon lesbians from the planet Morg invade America and turn all males under 26 into cannibalistic iguanas?

I don't spend time worrying about things that are extremely unlikely to occur. But if you want an answer, should the US implement a draft, you would be subject to it. Fleeing the US in order to avoid it would probably be a criminal act.

Even Kerry suggested that possibility in election...

To be strictly accurate, Kerry said that he would never do it, but his unscrupulous opponent..... well, that's another story. Politicians would accuse their opponents of anything including eating small children if they thought that someone might believe it.

Look, in the old days armies were a function of men under arms. You got a whole bunch of strong dumb farmboys, gave 'em a gun and a helmet and told them, "The enemy's thataway. Shoot in that direction, and when you run out of bullets whack 'em over the head with the rifle butt." You lost lots of troops but they were pretty intechangable.

Today, you have a high-tech force that relies on technology, that needs to train extensively to work as a team. It's said that the US military only breaks even on a soldier if they re-up for a second five year term. You're proposing to draft thousands of folks off the street who don't want to be there and expect to form a fighting force out of that rabble?

Note that not a single person with any influence in the DoD under an Administration of either political stripe has ever seriously suggested bringing back the draft. Until then, I'm keeping an eye out for suspicious activity in the Morg Sector - that's a more likely threat.

[qwertyisback]

Originally Posted by TheRealCanadian

What if an asteroid destroys the earth?

.

No kidding here, NASA has classified projects to deal such threats. You will know about them after 50 years when those docs are unclassified.

Originally Posted by TheRealCanadian

What if mutant Amazon lesbians from the planet Morg invade America and turn all males under 26 into cannibalistic iguanas?

You can deal with such tasks at your own level, as those are just burps in your brain .

But "draft" issue is a real issue for PR's . If it happens (and looking at war,it can happen very well), everybody's *** will be jacked up for sure. So if we know the answer, we can plan few things proactively.

And if you don't then, you sure find yourself in iraq desert,posting your experiences on this forum. But don't worry , all members will cheer you up from wherever they are

[AmericanWannabe]

Originally Posted by qwertyisback

No kidding here, NASA has classified projects to deal such threats. You will know about them after 50 years when those docs are unclassified.

NASA did foind an asteroid that wil have 1 out of 300
chance of hitting th eearth in 2030 or somewhere
close to that. Even if it hits the sea, it will
cause a 3000 meter high tsunami