Green Card, but not permanent resident anymore

[Abr2004]

Hello Community,

Your postings shows how much you value your Green Card. It reminds me to the years when I desperately wanted that piece of card, too.

I have this Green Card for several years, now. After immigrating to the US, I have lived and worked there.

In summer of 2002, I returned back to my home country. Since that time I haven't been in the US anymore. I have the citizenship of a country which gives me the luxuary not to regard the United States of America as the only place on earth where you can live in wealth. You guys might have another view, because most of you immigrated from India, a country which doesn't have the high standard that my country has. Therefore I understand your situation.

I still possess my Green Card, that means, I didn't report to US authorities that I have left the US and that since I have left America, I am living in my home country.

(1.) Did I commit a crime, now?

These damn Americans are crazy like shit, they are the most paranoid people on earth, really. That's why I have left USA. Because they have such a low education, they are full of prejudices and since 9/11 they regard every foreigner, every tourist, evry businessman as a threat to their "God given country", thus, as terrorist. Just recently I have read an article at a very renowned magazine that a businessman from my country entered the US and got arrested for one day with no reason. He also got punished by not allowing him to enter the US for some years. US authorities didn't give a reason, neither to this businessman nor to the press. The businessman told his story to the press and asked the press to help him. As a businessman he needs to travel to the US from time to time, the same as he did in all the years.

I am going to found my own company in these weeks. Since I have left the US, I did not work. I was living from my savings. As I did not work, I neither filed tax reports in USA or in my home country.

Probably from next year on I have to visit USA because of business matters.

(2.) Do I have to tell US authorities in advance that I am not a resident of the US since 2002?

(3.) Or will it be sufficient to tell US authorities at the port of entrance, thus, at the US airport when I land in America, that I haven't lived in America since 2002?

(4.) Will they allow me to enter the US? Remember that I did not enter the US until now since I have abandoned my residency unofficially.

Because of my citizenship I can fly to the US without a visa. people from my country who visits the US just gets a stamp on their passport at the airport when they arrive in America.

(5.) Do I have to carry my Green Card and my Social Security Card with me when I enter the US? I plan to stay in the US as a tourist for just a few weeks.

(6.) Will they confiscate my Green Card and my Social Security Card then?

(7.) What happens if I do not carry my Green Card and my Social Security Card with me? If they ask me for these two cards, I like to tell them that I have destroyed them and thrown them into garbage. (I like to keep my Green Card and my Social Security Card instead of giving them away. The reason is that I like to have them as something to remember. I really like the these plastic cards.)

(8.) I also have a US Driver's License. Do US authorities ask me to give them my American Driver's License? I don't want to give it away because it is very helpful in case I rent a car in the US. (9.) Would you recommend that I should hide my Driver's License in front of the authorities?

In a few years my US Driver's License expires. (10.) If I do not have a valid Green Card, is it still possible to renew my US Driver's License in America?

In advance I thank you all for your replies.

Let me give you a wise advice, guys: I assume most of you are immigrants from India. My programmers are from India, too. Since I have left the US, I have dealt with India, its economy, the huge opportunity in India extensively. I am taking into consideration to establish an IT company and a Customer Service Center there, too. In case you are programmers or have other smart minds, why don't you return to India? With your knowledge of India and with the spirit you have received in the US, you can found an own company in India and become rich quickly. That means, you can earn enough money to retire in India at the age of 45 (if you plan to stay in India, otherwise your living costs would be higher). India rocks, guys, so don't value America too much. America's future is negative, India's and China's, however, extremely positive - for many many years to come. I know Indians love their culture, their food. If you continue to stay in America, your daughters will marry black guys from a gang, your kids will receive a bad education. I have seen that in London. Holy shit, what a waste of potential. In India, however, your kids get a good education and they will grow up with good manners. In America you would be regarded as terrorists or at least as foreigners, no matter whether you have the US citizenship or not. Hope, I could help you with this advice.

Best regards,

Abr

[djamel]

[QUOTE=Abr2004]Hello Community,

what do you think if you come back and say that u stayed 1 month in india thats whole
who will know??

[rg585]

Originally Posted by Abr2004

Hello Community,


Let me give you a wise advice, guys: I assume most of you are immigrants from India. My programmers are from India, too. Since I have left the US, I have dealt with India, its economy, the huge opportunity in India extensively. I am taking into consideration to establish an IT company and a Customer Service Center there, too. In case you are programmers or have other smart minds, why don't you return to India? With your knowledge of India and with the spirit you have received in the US, you can found an own company in India and become rich quickly. That means, you can earn enough money to retire in India at the age of 45 (if you plan to stay in India, otherwise your living costs would be higher). India rocks, guys, so don't value America too much. America's future is negative, India's and China's, however, extremely positive - for many many years to come. I know Indians love their culture, their food. If you continue to stay in America, your daughters will marry black guys from a gang, your kids will receive a bad education. I have seen that in London. Holy shit, what a waste of potential. In India, however, your kids get a good education and they will grow up with good manners. In America you would be regarded as terrorists or at least as foreigners, no matter whether you have the US citizenship or not. Hope, I could help you with this advice.

Best regards,

Abr

It is an interesting perspective from you regarding India. It is funny that you mention the age to retire in India. Thats exactly the age I have in mind to retire and I have already started the move back to India by the end of this year. As you mentioned, the opportunities are a lot back in India and I have already made my business plans based on that.
Thanks for your advice and as **** mentioned, not to believe whatever you read in the newspaper, but I have done my own research and there is plenty to do in India. Good Luck to others in a similar situation !!!

[Abr2004]

Hello community and thank you for all your replies!

****, I didn't write and I also did not mean that I want to visit the US by claiming I still would be a permanent resident of the United States. When I wrote that I may take my Green Card with me, it was meant that in case US authorities only let me in as a tourist into the USA if I hand my Green Card over to them, then I should have my Green Card with me.

Why do you write about taking advantage of the visa waiver program for people of my country and the right to go to a US court in regards to my Green Card? I have no interest in going to a US court to fight for my Green Card, because I don't want to be a US resident anymore. Please explain me why you have connected these two things together.

Guys, I LOVED America, really. Beautiful nature, some beautiful girls (even though the majority with silicon), some very nice people, nice architectures etc. BUT since 9/11 America has changed, not because of the terrorists, but because America WANTED to be changed. In American communities there was always this fear to be killed. Before 9/11 they were afraid to be killed by someone from a gang in bad neighborhoods. After 9/11 these stupid Americans were afraid that such a unique attack could happen again. After 9/11 their paranoia is not under control anymore and now everyone is putting lies into the world, one neighbor claims false things on someone who he does not like and thereby brings him in trouble with FBi, FBI is suffering from paranoia, too, so they want to be on the save side and prefer to arrest everyone who they regard as a suspect, etc. More and more absurd new laws are passed and many more stupid laws will be passed in the near-term future, too. No, my dear friends from India and other places of this world currently living in the US and being so much concered with your Green Card and US citizenship: America is not the Land of the Free anymore.

If you get the US citizenship, you do no good to yourself in case you are a businessman, regard the world as one market and want to become rich at your condidtions. When one day you have the US citizenship and you want to found your company in a tax haven as Accenture Ltd. did, you will be kept as jurisdictional prisoners of America. The U.S. governement assumes that they own everyone and everything on the planet and that their jurisdiction includes the known universe. You would need to pay taxes to the US for the following ten years even if you do not live in the US anymore.

So watch out if you are a business man and if you can imagine that one day you return to your home country which may have transformed into a tax haven. You then would be forced to pay taxes for two nations!

So, ****, do you mean I have to visit the US embassy before I visit the US with my passport and as a tourist? So you mean even though there is a visa waiver program for people of my country who visits America, I should better apply for a tourist visa because I committed the crime to immigrate into the US and to leave the US later on because I did not want to live there anymore? Do you understand me? This tone is because if you say yes, then American laws are so stupid and lack of logic.

Best regards,

Abr

[Pungiwalla]

Originally Posted by Abr2004

Hello Community,

In summer of 2002, I returned back to my home country. Since that time I haven't been in the US anymore. I have the citizenship of a country which gives me the luxuary not to regard the United States of America as the only place on earth where you can live in wealth. You guys might have another view, because most of you immigrated from India, a country which doesn't have the high standard that my country has. Therefore I understand your situation.

YOU SEEM LIKE YOU ARE FROM OSAMA'S COUNTRY ? AREN'T YOU ? I KNOW THE HIGH STANDARD THAT YOUR COUNTRY HAS , IT PRODUCES TERRORISTS IN BILLION AND WOMEN MOVE LIKE A BLACK OBJECTS. RIGHT ??


(1.) Did I commit a crime, now?

YOU WERE BORNED TO DO THAT.

These damn Americans are crazy like shit, they are the most paranoid people on earth, really. That's why I have left USA. Because they have such a low education, they are full of prejudices and since 9/11 they regard every foreigner, every tourist, evry businessman as a threat to their "God given country", thus, as terrorist. Just recently I have read an article at a very renowned magazine that a businessman from my country entered the US and got arrested for one day with no reason. He also got punished by not allowing him to enter the US for some years. US authorities didn't give a reason, neither to this businessman nor to the press. The businessman told his story to the press and asked the press to help him. As a businessman he needs to travel to the US from time to time, the same as he did in all the years.

I am going to found my own company in these weeks. Since I have left the US, I did not work. I was living from my savings. As I did not work, I neither filed tax reports in USA or in my home country.

YOUR ENGLISH TELLS ME THAT YOU ARE DEFINATELY FROM OSAMA'S COUNTRY. NO AMERICANS AREN'T FOOL AS YOU SUGGEST, THEY ARE SMART PEOPLE. WHAT YOU CALL BUSINESS, WE HERE CALL IT TERRORIST CAMP. SO HOW DO YOU SAY HE WAS ARRESTED WITHOUT ANY REASON ?

Probably from next year on I have to visit USA because of business matters.

wHAT BUSINESS MATTERS ?? YOU CAN'T FOOL ME.

(2.) Do I have to tell US authorities in advance that I am not a resident of the US since 2002?

THEY WILL FIND OUT WHERE YOU WERE

(3.) Or will it be sufficient to tell US authorities at the port of entrance, thus, at the US airport when I land in America, that I haven't lived in America since 2002?

THEY KNOW, THEY HAVE SATELLITE WHICH WAS WATCHING ALL UR ACTIVITIES 24/7

(4.) Will they allow me to enter the US? Remember that I did not enter the US until now since I have abandoned my residency unofficially.

THEY WILL BUT THEN TAKE YOU TO GAUNTAMA BAY IN CUBA.
Because of my citizenship I can fly to the US without a visa. people from my country who visits the US just gets a stamp on their passport at the airport when they arrive in America.

NOT ANY MORE. THEY ARE FINGERPRINTED AND STRIP SEARCHED TO LOOK FOR ANY ROPE MARKS
(5.) Do I have to carry my Green Card and my Social Security Card with me when I enter the US? I plan to stay in the US as a tourist for just a few weeks.

(6.) Will they confiscate my Green Card and my Social Security Card then?

WHY THE HELL YOU WORRY SO MUCH AND TALK LIKE CONFISCATE AND ARREST AND STUFF LIKE THAT ? YOU ARE FROM A PROPSPEROUS COUNTRY AND DON'T CARE ABOUT THE GC RIGHT ?

(7.) What happens if I do not carry my Green Card and my Social Security Card with me? If they ask me for these two cards, I like to tell them that I have destroyed them and thrown them into garbage. (I like to keep my Green Card and my Social Security Card instead of giving them away. The reason is that I like to have them as something to remember. I really like the these plastic cards.)

YOU SEEMS TO HAVE SOME LONG PLANS ? ARE U GOING TO JOIN FLYING SCHOOL OR WHAT ?

(8.) I also have a US Driver's License. Do US authorities ask me to give them my American Driver's License? I don't want to give it away because it is very helpful in case I rent a car in the US. (9.) Would you recommend that I should hide my Driver's License in front of the authorities?

In a few years my US Driver's License expires. (10.) If I do not have a valid Green Card, is it still possible to renew my US Driver's License in America?

In advance I thank you all for your replies.

Let me give you a wise advice, guys: I assume most of you are immigrants from India. My programmers are from India, too. Since I have left the US, I have dealt with India, its economy, the huge opportunity in India extensively. I am taking into consideration to establish an IT company and a Customer Service Center there, too. In case you are programmers or have other smart minds, why don't you return to India? With your knowledge of India and with the spirit you have received in the US, you can found an own company in India and become rich quickly. That means, you can earn enough money to retire in India at the age of 45 (if you plan to stay in India, otherwise your living costs would be higher). India rocks, guys, so don't value America too much. America's future is negative, India's and China's, however, extremely positive - for many many years to come. I know Indians love their culture, their food. If you continue to stay in America, your daughters will marry black guys from a gang, your kids will receive a bad education. I have seen that in London. Holy shit, what a waste of potential. In India, however, your kids get a good education and they will grow up with good manners. In America you would be regarded as terrorists or at least as foreigners, no matter whether you have the US citizenship or not. Hope, I could help you with this advice.

Best regards,

Abr

[Avalon]

Abr,

I have not read your posting completely. But I having read first few paragraphs, and before I read further, I have a quick questions,

1. We as Indians came here for opportunity but the 'opportunity' has now gone to India so we may go back, some already have and some are on the way.
Why did you come to US if your coutry had all the opportunitites?

2. If now that you left USA and do not have good opinion of US after what you have experienced, why do you want to come to USA again? What makes you to worry about your US GC and US Tax if you do not care? Does that mean US still has some 'opportunity' left?

[Abr2004]

Punigwalla and ****,

You are not being nice to me.

I have been nice to all of you here in this community. You two guys, however, have nothing else to do than to accusate and blame me for false fairy tales originating from your paranoia.

Okay, everybody makes mistakes. I allow you two guys to appologize. Then I will forgive you.

No, ****, I am not reading one newspaper, but several magazines from all over the world. So YOU better stop putting words into my mouth.

And no, ****, I haven't hanged around the wrong places. In many US states American girls came to me and wanted to sleep with me. However, because I have such a good manner, I refused. Many of them had silicons in their breast and in their lips. If you can read and if you take some statistics, then you will notice that in no other country of the world so many women put silicons in their body than in the US. And no, that has nothing to do with the size of the country, because the amount is in %.

****, why do you write that because I have had a Green Card that USA could not allow me to visit USA as a tourist? I didn't commit a crime.

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@ Avallon:

The reason I immigrated into the US was because of the beautiful nature and nice people and because of the huge size of that country.
Thank you for being the one who didn't continue the way that **** and Puningwalla has used by attacking me personally and trying to misrepresent me with their typical Wannabe-American way.
Yes, I am clever. Though I do not like American politicians, I still want to do business with American people because they have money and America is big. I would be stupid respectivally I would have the level of education that Punigwalla has if I refused making business with such a big country.
You, dear Avallon, should maintain your rich culture instead of becoming a BigMac-American. Eat healthy Indian food, educate your kids in the typical Indian way and not in the stupid American way (which is using f-curses all the time and so on). India is rich in culture, has a huge potential. India will be the next superpower of the world because it has so many young people with big motivations. America's youth just thinks of sex and drugs. That's why America is forced to import brain from abroad (like from india). I am not an Indian, but my programmers are Indian. They treat me so good, I have never ever imagined that before. I know, I am their boss, but nevertheless they could behave like Americans, namely rude, but they don't. And because they are like this, I am treating them better than any other person of this world. This, in return, makes me sympathetic to them which has the effect that they work harder. Consequently I am intending to found a subsidiary in India.

People like **** are jeallous, because they are not Indian and because I have praised Indians here in my postings. By attacking me with false arguments and by blaming me for things I didn't do (visiting flight schools, being terrorist), they are using the exact mean that their Georgie Porgie uses: Bringing false arguments, trying to scare other people so that they do not back me. But I know, many of you (if not all of you) back me even though they do not write it here.

The opportunity is huge in India, guys. So don't waste your time by selling your Indian heritage for BigMacs. You can do much better in India. And NO, I am not telling you this because I would have America for my own. This is so ridiculous, because it reverses completely my whole posting. It was me who left America and gave up his permanent residency. So don't be ridiculous, **** and Punigwalla, and don't insult me with your bad accusations.

By the way, in all parts of this world where I have been, people LOVED me at first glance. In America, however, girls loved me because they wanted to have sex with me. This shows how perverted American society has become.

[Abr2004]

Hello!

Oh ****, what kind of guy are you...

I have just asked a simple question, namely how someone like me who once used to be a permanent resident of the US should behave when visiting America as a tourist if he is no longer a permanent resident. I then gave a friendly advice that there is a huge opportunity in India.

YOU, however, have attacked me because you didn't like that someone could NOT like America anymore. I am pretty sure that you are a supporter of Georgie Porgie and its poeple.

Now I am tired to defend myself. If you continue attacking me by claiming I would be the cause for hate just because I have written that I don't like America, then you reveal your face as a Republican. Georgie Porgie once said: "Either you are with us or you are against us!" I am NOT against America, Mister SuperBrain ****. I just don't like the majority of the people in America. Can't you understand this??? I really LOVED America, and in fact, I have plenty of American friends there btw, they have the same opinion concerning the stupidity of Americans. They are living in America for a long time. I think, they are the thrid generation.) All I was saying is that there is more opoortunity abroad than in America.

Okay, if you, ****, don't want to apologize, then I cannot force you to do that. But I can ask you as polite as I am not to attack me personally. I am sure you too would feel bad if someone attacks you. Just accept my opinion as it is.

And now, tell me please what I should do before I visit America as a tourist. So you mean I should better go to the US embassy and tell them that I am not living in the US since 2002 and that I would like to visit America as a tourist and I would stay there for just a few weeks? They would give me a tourist visa then? Why do you think there could be a problem or that they could deny allowing me to visit America because I used to be a permanent resident of the United States?

I thank you in advance if you answer me this question. (You see I am being polite to you!)

Best regards,

Abr

P.S.: ****, did you notice that you never greet with a "Hi" or with "Best regards"?

[Avalon]

Abr,

I am here to help you. But to answer your question it would be good if you could answer my questions I posted earlier.

It is ok for people to say anything but I would refrain myself from making inflamaotry remarks and avoid altercations.

[sadiq]

This post has degenerated into insults. No benefit to any of us. Let’s agree to let this one die out.

Rgds,
sadiq

[Pork Chop]

****, fair is fair. even though you "accusated" this gentleman, he has magnanimously offered to forgive you. therefore you should be tripping over yourself to seek said forgiveness, considering that he has "such a good manner" as to refuse to oblige all the american girls in many US states with "silicons in their breast and in their lips" who wanted to sleep with him...

[Pork Chop]

Originally Posted by ****

I still wonder how he knew that the girls had "silicons in their breast"... His "good manners" sure meant that he didn't actually get to take a look...

good point!

[Anajoti]

Originally Posted by Abr2004

And no, ****, I haven't hanged around the wrong places. In many US states American girls came to me and wanted to sleep with me. However, because I have such a good manner, I refused. .

Is this guy for real!!!!!!??????

[Perico]

can someone pls define Irony?

this guy had a green card, that one thing we all desperately want!!!!!!!!
and he let it go to waste/.........imagine that!!!!!!!!

[Perico]

HEy I know what happened, by saying his " manners " he means he's Gay
that's why he refused to sleep with any girl

[Abr2004]

****, you are a lost person. You are misusing my wonderful posting for your false claims. Perhaps you are just an unemployed person living from welfare in California who spends all his time here on this board claiming to be a full-time software engineer Everybody with a little bit of logical sense knows that you aren't

I am not going to use this board anymore for you have been here on this board earlier than me and obviously you need this virtual board because in the real world nobody wants to talk to you.

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Dear Avalon,

I already responded to your two question in all details. Please read them. Of course, there is still plenty of opportunities in America, but you can use these opportunities much better from India. The customers go to India, so when you are in India, that mean the customers come to you! For example, if you want to found an online auction company, you don't need to be in America if you want to cover the American market. You can build and maintain the site in India and you can employ Indian workforce. THIS is the opportunity of a lifetime. India will become a leader in this world. India is even better than China.

Best regards to you (no regards to ****),

Abr

[Avalon]

Abr,

If you are returning US after abondoning GC then you may be denied entry in US if travelling on GC. You could go to nearest US Embassy/Consulate and suurender your GC and ask for Business Visa. But before that, you could ask retruning resident visa (RRV). For RRV, you would have to justify your stay abroad. You would need to prove that it was beyond your control.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

This is America. Here people value freedom and democracy. That also means, we have right to express whether it is good or bad. Freedom of expression is protected by constitution. It also means that we respect individual and individual identity, individual opinion; good or bad. Welcome to this world, called America.

For those staying in America need to understand these American values. Some already know it and some will.

[Pungiwalla]

Hey Abr,

I have nothing againsts you. You impressed me by keeping your head cool all the time. I don't care what's thing between you and Americans that is for you to sort out. But I appreciate the goodwill that you have shown towards Indians. I truly believe there is no other multi-cultural and multi-national, multi-ethnic place other than India on the face of the earth. Our cities , buses, trians are bombed everyday including Parliament, thousands of people have been killed by terrorists yet we have not shown the paranoia in a way Americans are showing just because of one attack in hundereds of year. There are people from all religions, all walks of life live there, not only live there but live their like king, like it belongs to them.

[registrationid]

The calm and peace that Indians display comes from the quality of patience. However, of late I think this quality is actually the sense of hopelessness, apathy cloaked in the guise of patience and tolerance. Because of this apathy, the politicos, police, goons, bureau babus of the country have gathered the gall to torture the citizens in their own ways. B4 all Indians start getting hyper (irony!) over my posting, I am also an Indian and am not against Indians.
Abr,
I do understand your frustration, patience, and all other good virtues. However, what is the point of spewing the anger and hatred against Americans here. You are becoming the very thing that you writing against. Instead become the positive change that you want in others. You are not god to make people change and think differently. Remember that becoming aggressive against others will not make ur point heard. Instead learn from Gandhi who made his point heard in a very patient and silent manner.
Everybody please stop the -ve posts.

[Abr2004]

Hello friends of this community,

Thank you, Avalon, for this good advice. I will definitely contact US embassy before I visit USA as a tourist. Btw, I am not intending to go to America for business purposes. As a tourist, I just want to visit some nice places, because America has beatiful places.

Punigwalla, you are very right. India has a population of 1.1 billion people, most of them are living in poverty, but you don't hear them complaining all the time in the way other nations do. Instead, they are trying to do their best and, most of all, they believe in their Gods. Having a religion is important, for religion keeps you staying peaceful and living in harmony with other people and with nature. The reason why I generalized my point of view towards Americans was because I had become sick of all the paranoia in America. Just think of the stupid, ridiculous light changes into orange, yellow, red etc. that the Department of Homeland Security does. There is no such thing in other countries of the world even though there are countries being much more in danger than the so-called Land of the Free which is no more free. In fact, the current American government uses many means which the Nazi regime used during Hitler-time. That's why I don't like America in general anymore. However, it doesn't mean that I regard all Americans like that. I like it very much that there are lots of activists fighting for their personal freedom in America, like the supporters of Michael Moore and Fahrenheit9/11.

RegistrationID, good point. My biggest spiritual leaders are Harry Belafonte, Muhammad Ali and Nelson Mandela. Of course I do know Mahatma Ghandi. Somehow I had lost him from my memory. I will listen to what you have said and I will adopt Mahatma's philosophy in my daily life.

Thank you, Punnigwalla, for what you have written in your last posting. By the way, I am not gay. What I had written about American women is the truth. While I did feel good that there are women adoring me, too much is too much, especially if it was without any reason, for example, waiting for the metro at the metro station. When people do not believe in God, it is more like that they start talking to other men to have sex with them, even though they might be married. That's why I called America's society as perverted. They do not only sue everybody because of nothing, just in order to become rich quickly, but they consume sex. That's not the same in India. Just take a look at their movies produced in Bolliwood. They center around love, but without all this hardcore shit that is so typical in America.

Best regards,

Abr

[Pork Chop]

Originally Posted by Abr2004

While I did feel good that there are women adoring me, too much is too much, especially if it was without any reason, for example, waiting for the metro at the metro station. When people do not believe in God, it is more like that they start talking to other men to have sex with them, even though they might be married.

sheesh! your galloping paranoia is fully matched by your delusions of grandeur. if you seriously believe that a woman who might show you some basic politeness and courtesy at a metro station is a married atheist who wants to have sex with you, then you really are a fruitcake.

[gb111]

Originally Posted by Abr2004

Btw, I am not intending to go to America for business purposes. As a tourist, I just want to visit some nice places, because America has beatiful places.

Abr

Wow, man, you are full of contradictions.
If you truly hate the U.S. as you point out in your numerous postings, I'm sure you can find other places to visit in the world which are equally (if not much more) beautiful than America.

This way, you won't have to compromise your beliefs <of the day>.

btw, a couple of postings back, you claimed that you wanted to visit America because you still want to do business here (biggest economy of the world, etc.). Now you claim that you only want to visit nice places here.

The question I have is that if you have such strong beliefs, why do you want to visit this country at all? Stand by your beliefs and be a man for a change instead of a whining oxymoron.

You claim Ali as your hero, he went to jail rather than go fight a war he didn't believe in. You on the other hand want to have your cake and eat it too.

And here's some other beautiful and exotic places you can visit without compromising your principles: New Zealand, Switzerland, Canada, China, India, Netherlands, France, <the list goes on>. There are plenty of beautiful women in these countries who are just dying to get their hands (and other body parts) on you....

p.s. I guess you haven't seen a bollywood movie lately, or you wouldn't claim that they don't sell sex. I laugh in the face of your stupidity.

[gopher97]

Originally Posted by gb111

btw, a couple of postings back, you claimed that you wanted to visit America because you still want to do business here (biggest economy of the world, etc.). Now you claim that you only want to visit nice places here.

yeah, abr2004... why dont u explain these inconsistencies before you spew more shit out?

PS: The silicone still looks and feels great here. Miss it?

[Abr2004]

@ gb11 and gopher97

Hello dear friends of this community, I am greeting you!

No, it is absolutely no contradiction to say that I don't I don't like American society and American politicians, but I still want to do business with America. What you did not understand is that one can do business in America and with America without being located in America. As you may remember from my previous postings I had written some lines about Internet business, namely for example, if one like to establish an online auction company for the American market, it doesn't need to be located in America, but it can be located in any country of this big world.

Moreover, when I had written that I like to do business in America, I didn't mean that I have to visit America as a business man. The reason is that I can establish my Internet business for the American market in any country of this world. So when I visit America as a tourist, I still can act as a business man, because even as a tourist I can contact other companies while I am in America. However, the main reason I like to visit America is for pleasure. Though I have seen lots of parts of this beautiful country, there are still parts which I like to see personally.

One can like America, especially its nature, the architecture of the buildings (especially those in San Diego or in Miami's Art Deco district), but still can be disgusted by the government, the politicians and by a lot of Americans. This is in no way a contradiction, my dear friends of this immigration community.

So when gb11 says that I don't like America but still want to eat my piece of cate, then this is only a little bit right. Again, I love America's nature and many other things. I just don't like many Americans because they are so stupid. They just can distinguish between black or white, yes or no, right or wrong. As you can see in my personality, I can make very good distinguishes that go beyond this simple right or wrong, love or hate etc.

gopher97, yes, I do miss the easy-going of American girls. However, I enjoy not to be sexually attacked by geary women here in my home country. I am the man, so I want to be the hunter and not the victim.

gb111, Ali is my hero, but in contrast to him I didn't want to be involved in a jurisdicial dispute while I was in America. For example, when I went to JC Penny one day and the sales associate flirted with me, she invited me to her home. I, however, refused politely. Suddenly she became mad and said she is not that old and not that ugly. She would be very beautiful and a lot of men would accept her invitation. I would be arrogant etc. etc. I tried to calm her down by saying that I would feel honroed for her interest in me, but I am very busy and I don't have time in these days. She continued attacking me until she threatened me to shout loudly and to claim that I would have harrest her sexually. As she is a woman, people would believe her. I then told her that there are lots of cameras in this department and that they would have recorded everything. Suddenly she was the one who got afraid of me. I wanted to leave then, but the woman shouted behind my back that she would call police after I would be gone. Now I was afraid because in these crazy times of post-9/11, police is suffering from paranoia and it rather prefers to arrest an innocent guy based on false claims of an American citizen. So I returned to her and told her very friendly that she could make what she wants. It is a beautiful, sunny day and I don't wan't to be involved in a messy situation. So she should better calm down. But she argued that she would have noticed that I am afraid of police and that I most probably would be an illegal immigrant. I told her that I have a Green Card, so she shouldn't make stories out of her mind. Then I left and I never ever returned to this department because of this crazy American. This story is not the only one, but I have made several such crazy experiences in different US states. That's why I generalized when I wrote in my previous posting that America's society is perverted and is suffering from paranoia.

I hope now you can better understand me. But as far as **** is concerned I think his personality doesn't allow him to ask for forgiveness, even though I offered him to forgive him if he asks me to do that.

Bye bye,

yours truely

Abr

[gb111]

Originally Posted by Abr2004

@ gb11 and gopher97

So when gb11 says that I don't like America but still want to eat my piece of cate, then this is only a little bit right.

gopher97, yes, I do miss the easy-going of American girls. However, I enjoy not to be sexually attacked by geary women here in my home country. I am the man, so I want to be the hunter and not the victim.

Abr

This is awesome. Not to mention rip-roaring hilarious!!!
I am having difficulty typing (or even sitting on my chair for that matter) because I am overcome with laughter.

If I could even detect a shred of sincerity in your postings, I would attempt to point out further contradictions in your last posting. However, I am just going to sit back, relax and enjoy your grammatically abhorrent diatribe.

Btw, What exactly are these geary women that you aspire to hunt?

[Pungiwalla]

Ok Let me chip in for the heck of it. I see some people out here are being stereo-type and attacking ABR blindly (may be you watch too much TV and are probably brain washed)

Think with a fresh mind...what if there is truth in the JCpenny story that abr told us ?

Some of the Americans do have tendency to make someone a hero who towed their line and make him a zero if he or the nation went againts their wishes.

First Saddam was a dictator, he was posseing WMD, he and his sons were carrying out attacks and supporting insurgents etc etc now....it doesn't matter whether he had WMD or not...they say he was a developing capacity, he was growing and gathering danger (they forget few year ago that they we Sadda's buddy and supplied him weapons)....now he and his sons are captured...who is inspiring the insurgents now ?

So I don't know, there is no consistency , there is no credibility..it is all driven by very much selfish needs without any principle.

So as far as I am concerned I am not blindly going to free hand to anyone. I am not going to tow someones line if there is credibility issue.

[redsword]

This guy is trying entice us I think -- ignore him.

[gb111]

Originally Posted by ****

Furthermore, his claim that outsourcing to India is the future shows that he actually doesn't follow the outsourcing stuff. I guess he just read it in some news magazine that, like most news organizations, is far behind the times. Outsourcing to India has been on the decline for some time. Some outsourcing efforts are actually reversed, e.g., Dell, which has moved customer support back to the US. The main outsourcing places are actually the countries created through the USSR breakup, and China. Just look at your PC, and you will see that most parts come from China (PRC). And recently, Africa has emerged as new outsourcing destination: http://www.crmbuyer.com/story/35176.html

****,

If you have ever been to some of the technology hubs in India, you wouldn't make this claim.

I work for a fortune 500 company, and we are having trouble hiring and retaining software engineers in India.

Things are as insane there now as they were in silicon valley in the late 90s. Of course, that didn't pan out well then, so we'll see how it goes now for the tech boom currently under way in India....

btw, you are correct in stating that most of the PC parts are being made in China. But India never was and will be the place for producing cheap hardware. It was and is a place for cheaply developing the intellectual property that makes it into software and related services.

With soaring demand comes soaring prices (wages, infrastructure costs, inflation, etc), which will lead to companies looking for cheap outsourcing in other countries. But that's just one of the benefits of this trend in globalization. Maybe it'll improving the standard of living for humans across the globe. Maybe not!!!

We'll see. I don't think you, me or any news magazine can accurately predict how this will pan out in the future. All we can do is analyse and interpret short-term trends....

btw, afaik, Dell is still handling customer-support calls for non-corporate customers from India. They have only moved the handling of corporate customers to the U.S.

[Abr2004]

Hello my dear friends of this immigration community, I am greeting you all from the bottom of my warm heart!

Punigwalla, you are absolutely right and I start liking you because you have used your brain and analyzed correctly why **** is bashing on me.

As you all can see, I am new in this community. It is understandable that when a new guy enters a community, no matter which one, people who are in this community for a longer period of time are suspious. But by the time they will get to know the new guy. That's why I have been that careful and I only asked one question and I only created one single thread. I knew that if I create several threads for my questions people on this community would get annoyed and I didn't want to bother any of you.

Instead of answering my questions raised in the first posting of my thread, **** hijacked my peaceful thread and misused it for his aggressions that he couldn't get lost in the real world. So he found me in the virtual world and tried bashing me over and over again. But the more I didn't refused fighting against him, the more aggressive this so-called software engineer became furious. Why is he still writing in my thread? Noone has invited him. Okay, I grant his first posting. But after he noticed that he doesn't get along with me why does he continue writing in my thread? The answer, my dear friends of this community, is simple: He needs people to talk with him, he needs it so desperately...oh Lord. 5,000 posting in just 2 years.

But hey, ****, I am not angry with you, because I can analyze people pretty well. I do know that some people can't change and that they need bashing other people. So I think it is better you bash people in the virtual world, i.e. in this forum, instead of using your gun and killing people from your neighborhood. I have seen it is very common there in South California

Don't be sad, ****, just continue reading the following lines because they might cheer you up:
I have checked your postings in other threads where you have responded to questions of the users in this community. You have answered immigration questions correctly and as the first one in most cases. Therefore I think you should be allowed to have a role as a Sheriff in this board. Something like a Californian Coach Potatoe Sheriff

Let me give you a good, very friendly and wise advice: If you could change your arrogant tone a little bit, people to whom you responded might like you. You can learn that, I am pretty sure that even hard nutshells like yours could be cracked by the time. Just give it a try. Come on, buddy, it's not hard

Pungiwalla , I can assure you that what I have written about the incident at JC Penny is 100% right. Although you might have another God than I, I still think it doesn't matter which Gods we have because all religions have one think in common: They want people to be honest and peaceful. Therefore I can swear to God that the JC Penny report is the truth.

Let me give you one more example so that you don't think that the experience which I made at JC Penny was the only one:
One day I was working at my computer very long. In order to get the mind free, at the night I went to a club to dance a bit, hear pop music. When you are not that old then you know what I mean. In that night the club was full of young people. I was dancing although it was very crowded. Girls came closer to me, closer and closer, in order to do this so-called dirty dancing (pressing their butt into my ehm..., you know what I mean). I, however, was tired of hooking up with a girl, and the reason why I went to the club at that night was because I just wanted to have some exercise by dancing, I wanted to relax and have some fun without getting too much involved with other people. Two girls, however, were observing me for some time. They were good-looking, they were girl-friends. I thought, they are just one of the many people who like how I dance, so I just continued dancing for myself. Then they came to me and started dancing with me without asking me a question. Because I wanted to be nice, I danced with them. By the time, the two girls wanted more I have noticed. So I had to find a way to distance them from me. They have noticed that and I have heard them saying to each other, I might be gay. (By the way, no I am NOT gay! This is so typical American: gay, gay, gay. In no other country of this world I have heard people using this sexual orientation as often as in the US.) Then the other girl said, no, she would have noticed that I was looking at some girls. "Oh really?" The second girl said. She continued by saying that I would not be interested in them and she was disappointed while saying this. The other girl said in panic, "no, look at him, he is starring at one girl and now he is hiding. Something is wrong with that guy. We should tell that to security." The second girl said, "no, let's leave him alone."

This is another example how perverted American society has become. It is using the exact same technique that Nazis used: Claiming false things and bringing innocent people into trouble.

After I heard this conversation of the two girls, my night was messed up. I left the club and instead of becoming relaxed, I just got disturbed.

Again: What I am writing here is the truth. I have no reason to do false claims. I still support people who want to visit USA, that means, I DO NOT HATE America in general. I have only made the experience that America's society is becoming perverted more and more.

By the way, ****, don't be angry if I ask you not to write in my thread anymore. If you have relevant things to write about my original question concerning former permanent residents visiting America as a tourist, then feel free to post it here. I appreciate your relevant immigration feedbacks, really. So no heart-pains, please.

Have a beautiful start into the new week, my dear friends of this community.

Best regards, yours truely


Abr