Traffic tickets and naturalization (threads merged)

**qili** · 23rd July 2006, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by chigfu

query, please disclose all your ID's and reason behind your multiple id's?

some kind of sickness, I guess.

**** syndrome, as it is academically known.

**moody22** · 23rd July 2006, 11:37 PM

Why you think I’m query, or anybody else.

Anyway, my ID is readable. If you can’t read it, it’s your problem.

And to answer your question, I’m not Query, smart ***!!

Regards,

Moody

**qili** · 24th July 2006, 12:50 PM

you talk like query, you write like query, you think like query, you argue like query, and you offend other people like query.

you must be query,

Originally Posted by moody22

smart ***.

**Citi2007** · 24th July 2006, 01:01 PM

SMA_97,

Where did you find the 'Instructions for N-400' re: your original note?

Citi2007

**moody22** · 24th July 2006, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by qili

you talk like query, you write like query, you think like query, you argue like query, and you offend other people like query.

you must be query,

Whateverrrrrrrrrr!!!

**query11.** · 24th July 2006, 01:53 PM

moody..dont care for them buddy...

They just want to drag me into this....
qili ak.a chigfu(7 posts in 2 years,doent it give a hint?)a.k.a suzy
a different id came up with a thread on me yesterday and... he had to delete it coz there was no response...
So best thing is just ignore these people....i dont care what they write..they are just wasting their time...
While i look at it and laugh at these pathetic soul's desperately trying to drag me into a arguement...

**suriyan** · 24th July 2006, 01:58 PM

OK, as far as speeding ticket goes, these are the scenarios.
Even if you do not list it in the N400, its OK.
But when the IO asks you under oath if you have been cited, you should let them know where and when, so that you arent lying under oath.
In my interview, I let my IO know that it was a traffic violation and the IO didnt bother to ask anything more about it.
In my friends interview, he let the IO know of a speeding citation, and the IO wanted to see proof of payment. As he didnt have it, he was asked to send it to them by mail, and his application got delayed.
In the end, you will get your citizenship. Its about taking a chance on it being possibly delayed.

**query11.** · 24th July 2006, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by moody22

You don't have to. We have disscused this issue several times here.

Also take a life-time driving record to the interview, just in case they asked you for it.

Regards,

Moody

btw even i am a bit surprised with this....

july is when ur id was created...so who are you?

**moody22** · 24th July 2006, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by query11.

btw even i am a bit surprised with this....

july is when ur id was created...so who are you?

I think i did a mistake when i said:We disscused this several times here, since i saw these 2 threads in the index page.

I should've said: This issue have been disscused several times here.

Anyway, I tried to help the person who asked the Q.

**moody22** · 24th July 2006, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by query11.

moody..dont care for them buddy...

They just want to drag me into this....
qili ak.a chigfu(7 posts in 2 years,doent it give a hint?)a.k.a suzy
a different id came up with a thread on me yesterday and... he had to delete it coz there was no response...
So best thing is just ignore these people....i dont care what they write..they are just wasting their time...
While i look at it and laugh at these pathetic soul's desperately trying to drag me into a arguement...

Dude,

I don't give a crap-*** about these silly people.

That's why i just whatevered these smart-asses.

By the way, congratulation for your Oath, wish you the best in your life.

Regards,

Moody

**query11.** · 24th July 2006, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by moody22

Dude,

I don't give a crap-*** about these silly people.

That's why i just whatevered these smart-asses.

By the way, congratulation for your Oath, wish you the best in your life.

Regards,

Moody

thanks a ton moody..

**chigfu** · 24th July 2006, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by moody22

Dude,

I don't give a crap-*** about these silly people.

That's why i just whatevered these smart-asses.

Moody

Why you condradicting youself in same post. Stick with one way. And please no more personal graphic information

.

And just congrating other don't prove anything. explain how you know so much about subject discussion when you joined just this month?? query you can hide but you know what, you sucks big time. take care

**qili** · 24th July 2006, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by query11.

so who are you?

the way she thinks, talks, argues and offends reminds me of ****, aka query11/query11./enimag.

**chigfu** · 24th July 2006, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by qili

the way she thinks, talks, argues and offends reminds me of ****, aka query11/query11./enimag.

So **** is still on this forum under "query" id? And is he female? suzy is male and use to post under female name(alongwith bunch of other famine id's) and **** is female and post under male ids. Whats going on? whats wrong with them exactly?

**ksengupta** · 1st August 2006, 03:24 PM

Hi:
I was looking into a couple of postings of having to report all driving offenses on the N400 application. My questions are:
1) does this have to be for the last 5 years' period only or for the duration of my stay in the USA which is obviously much longer?

2) I have like 2 moving violations and 1 accident - there were some reports that the officer at the interview may deny the application based on too many driving related offenses. Anybody has any idea as to what is "too many"?

3) do they need proof of fines paid etc. with the application or is it okay if I show them these at the interview?

Thanks,
Kaushik

**suriyan** · 1st August 2006, 03:45 PM

As per the guidelines, you are supposed to list all events which led to a citation / arrest / jail time etc.
Unfortunately most traffic violations end up as citations. Hence, technically you are supposed to list the citations. It is also mentioned that you do not need prrof of payment if the fines were less than 500 $ (I do not remember the exact amount).
There is a lot of debate on wether to list traffic citations or not (do a search in this forum)
From my personal experiece: I didnt list traffic citations (I had one 50 $ fine). In the interview when asked if I had citations, I did say I had a traffic citation. The Io wanted to know if it was Reckless driving or DUI. I said no. Nothing was asked, and I cleared interview.
My friend didnt list citations in his N400. At interview the IO asked if he had citations, and he mentioned his speeding ticket that he recieved 10 years ago. The IO wanted him to give proof of payment for that ticket, which he didnt have. His case is currently delayed, as the IO wanted to clear it with the supervisor.
So bottom line, you will get citizenship - it might get delayed depending on your luck.

**Shribuy** · 3rd August 2006, 03:16 PM

Hi Everyone,

I have a couple of tickets that I disclosed since they are citations. I also stated that they are all resolved.

I got a copy of my driving record and there is *absolutely nothing* listed there since I went to traffic school.

Is that enough?

**pianoplayer** · 3rd August 2006, 03:32 PM

You do not require paperwork evidence on minor traffic citations for the interview. You did mention it on the application and that is enough. Take whatever paperwork you did get and do not worry about the rest.

**July2003filer** · 3rd August 2006, 03:35 PM

I never knew that one needs to keep track of all tickets & everything.

do you require to mention during interview?

Do you need to produce it?

**harvydonald** · 3rd August 2006, 03:52 PM

From what I hear they usually show no interest...and even if they do...it is limited to finding out if you paid your fines...and if you owe any money to the government??
If you have a paper reciept from court, credit card reciept, canceled check....take that with you...

**July2003filer** · 3rd August 2006, 04:14 PM

ahhhhhh

I got 2 tickets but its almost 3 years now & I haven't got my GC yet. shall I look around if I find those receipts, tickets ?

what if I don't find them?

**lotechguy** · 3rd August 2006, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by July2003filer

ahhhhhh

I got 2 tickets but its almost 3 years now & I haven't got my GC yet. shall I look around if I find those receipts, tickets ?

what if I don't find them?

declaring tickets is not required for GC, only naturalization. The I-485 form clearly states "except traffic violations"

**July2003filer** · 3rd August 2006, 04:26 PM

so I need to get all icket documents/info what I can for my citizenship (yet min 5 years away)?

**Shribuy** · 3rd August 2006, 05:10 PM

PianoPlayer and HarvyDonald, thanks for the feedback.

Appreciate your help.

**Shribuy** · 3rd August 2006, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by July2003filer

so I need to get all icket documents/info what I can for my citizenship (yet min 5 years away)?

Juley 2003, my understanding is that you have to declare all the instances where you were cited (a traffic ticket is, at a minimum, a citation). Not just for the last 5 years, but from when you came to the US.

**July2003filer** · 3rd August 2006, 06:56 PM

But I don't remember when I got ticket. One was in 2001 and another in 2003. second was in NY & I live in MI. I even forgot the city name where I got ticket.

What are my options?

**July2003filer** · 3rd August 2006, 10:05 PM

Here what I found.

http://immigration.about.com/library.../aa070300b.htm

Question #6: I got a traffic ticket for speeding, do I have to tell INS about that in a citizenship interview?

Carl Shusterman: The N-400 application asks whether you have ever been arrested or convicted of a crime, "excluding traffic regulations," so you would not have to reveal a speeding ticket. However, if the offense were more serious, for example, driving under the influence of alcohol, you should not only reveal the arrest, but you should attach a certified copy of the arrest report to your application. It is important to stress, that all "arrests" must be revealed, even if they did not result in criminal convictions, were expunged or otherwise erased from your record.

Failure to reveal an arrest or conviction, no matter how minor, or how long ago the arrest/conviction occurred, may result in your application for naturalization being denied because you gave false testimony

Originally Posted by Shribuy

Juley 2003, my understanding is that you have to declare all the instances where you were cited (a traffic ticket is, at a minimum, a citation). Not just for the last 5 years, but from when you came to the US.

**Shribuy** · 4th August 2006, 12:51 AM

The Shusterman quote is old. The N-400 no longer says that. When I filed mine, it clearly stated "Any citations, arrests, etc..." A ticket is a citation.

But I don't think you have to stress to much. Take a guess at when the ticket was and show them your driving record.

You do want to mention the tickets though in case they are unearthed.

**moneypig** · 4th August 2006, 01:43 AM

I got a ticket in 1995.

Before I send out N-400, I call 2 immigration attornies to check.
Both of them emphasized that I don't have to report the minor traffic ticket...
EXCEPT, it's as serious as "drunk and drive",
or been cuffed by policeman(e.g. drive 80m/h at 30m/h zone)!!!

They also told me, if I am not satisfied with this answer,
I still can get the report at CITY HALL,
but definitely "NO" to the question "Any citations, arrests..."

I also checked with local Congressman's office,
an immigration affair staff told me... if not fine more than $500,
or be forced to do community service, then I don't have to mention it!

My 2 cents

**Shribuy** · 4th August 2006, 02:07 AM

I'm just going by what Ron Gotcher recommends.

http://immigration-information.com/f...raffic+tickets

Feel free to follow the best advise possible. Each to his own