Traffic tickets and naturalization (threads merged)

[jenimmi]

Ok.. what's with the 10000 you have on your posts?
Have you noticed that Suzy posts with many Smilies on her post too - does that mean YOU, Suzy, PG2006 are all the same person - because you follow the same style when posting?

Attn: Admin -
For a while now, the Citizenship forum seemed to be doing ok, but now this id "GivemeGcLord" is starting the flame war again. In the best interest of keeping this forum devoid of such nasty posts, Can this person be BANNED right away - if possible a IP ban? Thanks.

[PG2006]

See , you just proved my point. How you know for sure what suzy want to say? Suzy clearly attacked actual Administrator and went in to hide and using PG id suzy is justifying with weird font and colors her/his attacks on real Administrator .

People like "GiveMeGcLord" are the best example why children and everybody else for that matter, should stay away from drugs...

Poor "GiveMeGcLord" you don't understand anything and see all kind of weird fonts...It looks like the crack boiling in your head is playing tricks to your eyes too



**** ,alex are correct that suzy is ...and don't belong to public forums.

The high quality of your English is a perfect match for your logic

If Suzy "don't belong" to this forum, you, Mr. 10 posts in five years (due to your invaluable contribution) you definitely belong here

Maybe it's time to go back to your drug induced hibernation, the frequency of one post every 6 months is the only reason you weren't banned so far...be careful you already posted 3 messages in a row (not to count the 2 ones deleted by the Administrator!!!)...you and your exceptional wisdom are covered for the next 18 months

[query11]

ppl lets move on...even though i have no common grounds with alex,qili.
appreciate their wisdom in staying out....
thanks alex and qili...hope this attitude of their's is contageous....

[plangkitok]

just a thought, check out "Bilent" post below

http://boards.immigrationportal.com/...6&page=5&pp=15

[query11]

good research,plangkitok...these people are gonna argue no matter what...
lemme tell u something i asked the io aboutt raffic tickets and she said it doesent matter.....
traffic tickets is just a reason for them to fight anyways..
http://boards.immigrationportal.com/...d.php?t=213278
http://boards.immigrationportal.com/...d.php?t=212678

[takadigi]

Can you post that USCIS link or file please for all of us to see?

It is on page # 2 of the n400 instruction booklet under the heading "What Do I Send With My Application?"

It basically says that you do not have to send in any documentation for ....

[takadigi]

on the n-400 instruction (n-400ins.pdf) from USCIS website, Page 2, section under "What Do I Send With My Application?", it says

"Note that unless a traffic incident was alcohol or drug related, you do not need to submit documentation for traffic fines and incidents that did not involve an actual arrest if the only penalty was a fine of less than $500 and/or points on your driver's license"

there is no words about you do not have to report the traffic ticket.

Pls quote exact word by word from N-400 instruction to support your statement.

OK smarty, you don't have to print in big fonts to make it sound like you are shouting. You have listed the exact statement that I referred to. Make out whatever you want to. But attorneys at law have confirmed this for me. Do what suits you best.

I can understand you may have a problem in interpreting it properly as English may not be your first language.

[banjo]

During my interview I was asked if I was ever stopped by a policeman. I looked at the interviewer questionaingly, and he said, "for example, DUI, speeding etc." I said yes I was stopped for speeding. He asked if I paid teh ticket, I said yes, he asked when did this happen, I said I have no idea. anything from 2 to 3 years ago and that it was a speed trap. He just laughed, and moved on to other questions.

I am not saying that you should not be prepared. But do not let paranoia get the better of you either.

[gc4parents]

jenimmi, you are such a gem. You ignored all personal absurd attack on me and real Administrators and you accusing me for flame war .

I was watching this thread for a while, I found interesting the arguments back and forth, pro and contra related to traffic tickets.

Suddenly, out of nowhere you came here, and totally unrelated with what was posted before started to accuse and insult other members.

What's wrong with you?

Why are you trying to start a fight again?

People like you should be banned from this forum.

[Haresh Keswani]

Greetings All:

I am referring to Section D (Question 17,18) pertaining to any offense. I do have 2 tickets (1 for speeding and 1 for illegal parking at airport). I did convert the speeding ticket to immovable offense by paying double the fine. Do I need to declare this on N400 form.

I have requested for driving report If I do not see any information on report do I need to worry about disclosing this info in the form.

Also I read if the N 400 instruction guide there is no need to send documentation if the fines were less than 500 and not under alcohol or drugs related offense. Am I reading this right ? Do I still need to report but dont send documentation for it - Please let me know.

Enclosed please find instructions from N400 Instruction guide.

For example, if you have been arrested or convicted ofa crime, you must send a certified copy of the arrestreport, court disposition, sentencing and any otherrelevant documents, including any countervailingevidence concerning the circumstances of your arrestand/or conviction that you would like USCIS toconsider. Note that unless a traffic incident was alcoholor drug related, you do not need to submitdocumentation for traffic fines and incidents that didnot involve an actual arrest if the only penalty was afine of less than $500 and/or points on your driver'slicense.

Any input on this regard will be highly appreciated.

Thanks for your time in advance on this.

Best Regards,
Haresh

[gcardo]

either way you should be fine. However, I would report this ticket on the n-400 (don't send anything else they don't need it).

If you still have the ticket or receipt of payment for the ticket bring it to the interview. There is a very slim chance that they'll want to see it. If you want to completely cover youself from all angles bring a copy of the ticket/receipt/court document.

[futureuscitizen]

I had a ticket 5 hours before the interview time. On the oath form (N-445) it is asking for any moving violation you had after the date of the interview. Hopefully mine doesnt count. Its on the date of the interview.

It was speeding.

no idea if that is holding up my oath ceremony letter

anyways I hope noone will have a similar situation like me. yeah I was worried about the interview and didnt look at the odometer, things can happen.

[dr_z]

I submitted my N400 and indicated the only speeding ticket that I recieved 15 years ago. Other then that 15 year old ticket my driving record was clean.

On the way home today I got a speeding ticket!
I know that I could pay the ticket and bring proof of payment to the interview and that would put it to rest.

Here is the problem.... I want to fight the ticket. The police officer indicated on the ticket that he estimated my speed. He does not have me on radar. The fact is I was NOT speeding. I am confident that in front of a traffic judge I can make my case and have the ticket dismissed.

If my interview comes up before my day in traffic court what will happen? If I tell the IO about my new ticket and that I plan to fight it in traffic court? Will they put my case on hold until this has been resolved? If I indicate to him that I will pay the fine if found guilty will that be enough? (I basically have a perfect driving record and my case is very straight forward)

Or will this delay his decsion until I can finalize this matter?

DR_Z

[suriyan]

Hi Dr Z,
It depends on the IO. I had not mentioned my one citation (stop sign violation) in my N-400. I mentioned the citation in the interview, and the IO wanted to know if the citation was related to DUI or Reckless driving. She didnt care as it wasnt any of those. So, no worries. But, do have all relevant information with you at time of interview.

[qim]

I submitted my N400 and indicated the only speeding ticket that I recieved 15 years ago. Other then that 15 year old ticket my driving record was clean.

On the way home today I got a speeding ticket!
I know that I could pay the ticket and bring proof of payment to the interview and that would put it to rest.

Here is the problem.... I want to fight the ticket. The police officer indicated on the ticket that he estimated my speed. He does not have me on radar. The fact is I was NOT speeding. I am confident that in front of a traffic judge I can make my case and have the ticket dismissed.

If my interview comes up before my day in traffic court what will happen? If I tell the IO about my new ticket and that I plan to fight it in traffic court? Will they put my case on hold until this has been resolved? If I indicate to him that I will pay the fine if found guilty will that be enough? (I basically have a perfect driving record and my case is very straight forward)

Or will this delay his decsion until I can finalize this matter?

DR_Z

If

(1) You officially contest your citation before the day of the interview
AND
(2) The day of the interview comes before the court day
AND
(3) You do not pay your citation before the day of the interview
AND
(4) You sincerely believe that your chances to convince judge to dismiss the case are very high (this is very important)

then I believe that during the interview you do not have to volunteer this latest citation info. However, if the IO directly asks, you will have to tell the truth. In this case you will need to have with you papers showing that you contested the citation and what is a court day.

Good luck

**************************************************
Interview:April 2005; 1447b:February 2006; Naturalized: May 2006

[naturalizer123]

If

(1) You officially contest your citation before the day of the interview
AND
(2) The day of the interview comes before the court day
AND
(3) You do not pay your citation before the day of the interview
AND
(4) You sincerely believe that your chances to convince judge to dismiss the case are very high (this is very important)

then I believe that during the interview you do not have to volunteer this latest citation info. However, if the IO directly asks, you will have to tell the truth. In this case you will need to have with you papers showing that you contested the citation and what is a court day.

Good luck

**************************************************
Interview:April 2005; 1447b:February 2006; Naturalized: May 2006

Good imaginations cooked in your head. You should be writing a manual for IOs and scre the hell of them. Simple traffic tickets are not relevant to naturlization so there is no need to report or mention it in application or interview, nor does the IO care or ask about it. There is no "but' or "if" here. Do as a sane person will do.

[happigal]

I got a fix-it citation a couple years ago for my tail light being out.

I noted it in my application since it is considered a citation.

I got the problem fixed and the citation was signed off by a police officer and I sent the citation to traffic court.

Do I need to bring anything from the courts in San Jose CA or DMV to the interview to prove that it's dismissed?

Thanks for your advice.

happigal

[suriyan]

They are interested only in DUI and reckless drivings, when it comes to traffic citations.
You should be OK. You really dont need to take anything. But, for your peace of mind, you might want to do what you want to do. (ie, get evidence that you fixed or paid fines etc)

[happigal]

Thanks for your advice Suriyan and congrats on your oath date. I have a ways to go still before I get to the oath ceremony but I can't wait till that day comes.

Do you by chance know where I have to go to get the courts to say I don't have anything outstanding for traffic stuff?

[suriyan]

Do you by chance know where I have to go to get the courts to say I don't have anything outstanding for traffic stuff?

DMV records should be enough (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/inf/inf70.htm) ? BTW, I am wondering if your "fix it" is really a citation. Wouldnt that go against the vehicle rather than the driver (as is the case for parking tickets) ?

[happigal]

Hmmm.....good point Suriyan and thanks for the information. I wasn't sure if it was or not since I got a piece of paper from the police officer...like the ones that one would get if it were a traffic ticket.

Guess better safe than sorry. I did make a copy of the actual piece of paper before I sent it to the court and did include it in with the application. So, hopefully, that will explain it

[coolguy446]

Hmmm.....good point Suriyan and thanks for the information. I wasn't sure if it was or not since I got a piece of paper from the police officer...like the ones that one would get if it were a traffic ticket.

Guess better safe than sorry. I did make a copy of the actual piece of paper before I sent it to the court and did include it in with the application. So, hopefully, that will explain it

I was involved in a car accident (on changing the lane I hit the other car in front of my car) during morning rush hours but there was no major damage to the other car. The police officer asked me and the other driver to verbally mention as to how the accident happened. He also looked at my registeration and insurance. I admitted that it was my mistake and the police officer was kind enough not to give me any ticket.

Is the above incident considered as a citation? Should I mention about this incident in my N-400 application even though I did not get any ticket?

Thanks

[happigal]

Hi coolguy446....did you actually get a ticket (citation) from the officer?

From what you indicated, it sounds like you didn't get a ticket or anything from the officer and that things were resolved between you and the other driver.

If that is so, then you don't need to mention this in your N400 since you didn't get a ticket.

However, if you have any other type of tickets (ie. speeding etc), then it might be good to mention it and just take some proof along to the interview that the case is dismissed, tickets are paid etc.

Hope this helps.

[coolguy446]

Hi coolguy446....did you actually get a ticket (citation) from the officer?

From what you indicated, it sounds like you didn't get a ticket or anything from the officer and that things were resolved between you and the other driver.

If that is so, then you don't need to mention this in your N400 since you didn't get a ticket.

However, if you have any other type of tickets (ie. speeding etc), then it might be good to mention it and just take some proof along to the interview that the case is dismissed, tickets are paid etc.

Hope this helps.

No, I did not get the ticket. Myself and the other driver did not talk and the matter was resolved by the police officer after getting statements from both of us.

I guess it might be a good idea to get the driving record from the DMV just to make sure that there is no citation of any kind.

[happigal]

Yes I agree with you on that...when it gets closer to your interview date, get your record from the DMV and you should be alright.

[sma_97]

My wife and I are going to apply for naturalization. In filling out the form N-400, Part 10, Section D (Good Moral Character), Question 16 asks:

Have you ever been arrested, cited or detained by any law enforcement officer
(including USCIS or former INS and military officers) for any reason?

Do we have to disclose the traffic citations we have received for speeding in the past. My wife has one citation back in around Feb 2002, and I have one from the same time as well as another one in Feb 2005. I had another one back in 1992. All of these citations had fine of under $200.

Is it expected to ignore minor traffic citations especially as the Instructions for N-400 state that:

Note that unless a traffic incident was alcoholor drug related, you do not need to submitdocumentation for traffic fines and incidents that didnot involve an actual arrest if the only penalty was afine of less than $500 and/or points on your driver'slicense.

If we do have to mention these citations, what documents should we be submitting along with N-400.

Thanks,

SMA_97

[moody22]

My wife and I are going to apply for naturalization. In filling out the form N-400, Part 10, Section D (Good Moral Character), Question 16 asks:

Have you ever been arrested, cited or detained by any law enforcement officer
(including USCIS or former INS and military officers) for any reason?

Do we have to disclose the traffic citations we have received for speeding in the past. My wife has one citation back in around Feb 2002, and I have one from the same time as well as another one in Feb 2005. I had another one back in 1992. All of these citations had fine of under $200.

Is it expected to ignore minor traffic citations especially as the Instructions for N-400 state that:

Note that unless a traffic incident was alcoholor drug related, you do not need to submitdocumentation for traffic fines and incidents that didnot involve an actual arrest if the only penalty was afine of less than $500 and/or points on your driver'slicense.

If we do have to mention these citations, what documents should we be submitting along with N-400.

Thanks,

SMA_97

You don't have to. We have disscused this issue several times here.

Also take a life-time driving record to the interview, just in case they asked you for it.

Regards,

Moody

[moody22]

http://boards.immigrationportal.com/...d.php?t=107020

http://boards.immigrationportal.com/...ad.php?t=81187

Regards,

Moody

[chigfu]

You don't have to. We have disscused this issue several times here.

Also take a life-time driving record to the interview, just in case they asked you for it.

Regards,

Moody

You joined this month, so how can you discuss many times here. will you disclose your real ID? why you have to create new ID to post lies? Are you born lier query?may god bless you.

[chigfu]

query, please disclose all your ID's and reason behind your multiple id's? you are worse than suzy ... mind you.