Example of filled N-400 application

**leonidb** · 30th July 2009, 05:17 AM

Hi:

while N-400 filling instructions are quite comprehensive, some small things are not clear. For example, it says that "N/A" most be written in all non-relevant places. However in detailed instructions only one chapter is mentioned where N/A should be placed.

It would be nice to see some N-400 application (or even several) I could use as an example. Perhaps, there is some existing post which includes that.

Couple specific questions:

1) The question to folks from former Soviet Union who happened to be members of "komsomol" in past - I believe, 95% of population at the time. I have no difficulty to explain that (I did so in my Green Card application) but I would appreciate advice as to what will be the best wording.

2) For persons with dual nationalities, N-400 instructions suggest to specify the one latest passport has been issued for. Does it mean physical passport, or when the nationality was awarded?

Thanks,

Leonid.

**sh1996** · 30th July 2009, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by leonidb

while N-400 filling instructions are quite comprehensive, some small things are not clear. For example, it says that "N/A" most be written in all non-relevant places. However in detailed instructions only one chapter is mentioned where N/A should be placed.

It would be nice to see some N-400 application (or even several) I could use as an example. Perhaps, there is some existing post which includes that.

Don't stress and fill out the information as clearly as you can. They're not going to reject you for neglecting to write in "N/A" -- if your response is unclear, the interviewer will just ask you about it at the interview. If you find out you made mistakes/typos after you send it in, you can also correct those at the interview. Since applications are chock-a-block with personal information, I highly doubt anyone is going to post them in a public message board. (I definitely wouldn't.)

**Vorpal** · 30th July 2009, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by leonidb

Hi:

while N-400 filling instructions are quite comprehensive, some small things are not clear. For example, it says that "N/A" most be written in all non-relevant places. However in detailed instructions only one chapter is mentioned where N/A should be placed.

It would be nice to see some N-400 application (or even several) I could use as an example. Perhaps, there is some existing post which includes that.

Couple specific questions:

1) The question to folks from former Soviet Union who happened to be members of "komsomol" in past - I believe, 95% of population at the time. I have no difficulty to explain that (I did so in my Green Card application) but I would appreciate advice as to what will be the best wording.

2) For persons with dual nationalities, N-400 instructions suggest to specify the one latest passport has been issued for. Does it mean physical passport, or when the nationality was awarded?

Thanks,

Leonid.

I wouldn't even bother to list "komsomol" on your N-400. It's just a youth organization and doesn't automatically confer membership in the Communist Party. Also, don't list "Oktyabryonok" and "Young Pioneer". The only thing that you would have to disclose is membership in the Communist Party. Question 9.a. in Section 10 specifically asks you to disclose membership in the Communist Party.

As far as filled out applications are concerned, I agree with sh1996. Due to the information listed on the N-400, I highly doubt that anyone will be willing to share theirs. However, feel free to ask any questions that may come up. We're more than willing to help.

**leonidb** · 30th July 2009, 09:03 AM

Thank you for advice. Question for sh1996. What is "4 year + 1 day" rule?

**vdostoi1** · 30th July 2009, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Vorpal

I wouldn't even bother to list "komsomol" on your N-400. It's just a youth organization and doesn't automatically confer membership in the Communist Party. Also, don't list "Oktyabryonok" and "Young Pioneer". The only thing that you would have to disclose is membership in the Communist Party. Question 9.a. in Section 10 specifically asks you to disclose membership in the Communist Party.

As far as filled out applications are concerned, I agree with sh1996. Due to the information listed on the N-400, I highly doubt that anyone will be willing to share theirs. However, feel free to ask any questions that may come up. We're more than willing to help.

I disagree with you. Those were communist party sponsored organizations and you should list them. The N-400 question specifically asks for direct AND indirect affiliations with the communist party.

**SouthSideQueens** · 30th July 2009, 12:52 PM

Below is a link which helps you out step by step to fill out the application

http://web.cuny.edu/about/citizenshi.../RMFG-2009.pdf

**Vorpal** · 30th July 2009, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by vdostoi1

I disagree with you. Those were communist party sponsored organizations and you should list them. The N-400 question specifically asks for direct AND indirect affiliations with the communist party.

If this was the case, every immigrant from the former Soviet Union would have to list those organizations. Membership in those organizations was mostly symbolic anyway. From what I remember, there was no ID card or registration issued as part of enrollment. Also, I highly doubt that USCIS cares about organizations that certain applicants belonged to in grade school.

**WBH** · 30th July 2009, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by leonidb

Hi:

while N-400 filling instructions are quite comprehensive, some small things are not clear. For example, it says that "N/A" most be written in all non-relevant places.

I left them blank and did not have any problems

**WBH** · 30th July 2009, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by leonidb

1) The question to folks from former Soviet Union who happened to be members of "komsomol" in past - I believe, 95% of population at the time. I have no difficulty to explain that (I did so in my Green Card application) but I would appreciate advice as to what will be the best wording.

If you list themn in yoru GC application, then you shoudl also list them on
N400 application and give teh same explanation.

**vdostoi1** · 30th July 2009, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Vorpal

If this was the case, every immigrant from the former Soviet Union would have to list those organizations. Membership in those organizations was mostly symbolic anyway. From what I remember, there was no ID card or registration issued as part of enrollment. Also, I highly doubt that USCIS cares about organizations that certain applicants belonged to in grade school.

True, they don't. But if they truly did not care, then USCIS would note an age limit on their forms. As such, they do not list an age limit but simply ask have you EVER. This leads me to believe that depsite the age, one should list their affiliations with these organizations.

**WBH** · 30th July 2009, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by vdostoi1

True, they don't. But if they truly did not care, then USCIS would note an age limit on their forms. As such, they do not list an age limit but simply ask have you EVER. This leads me to believe that depsite the age, one should list their affiliations with these organizations.

I would just say majority of the people in that situation choose not to say
anything in GC and citizenship applications and even OF156 before 1990s.

**sh1996** · 30th July 2009, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by leonidb

Thank you for advice. Question for sh1996. What is "4 year + 1 day" rule?

If you broke continuous residency, you can apply 4 year + 1 day after you come back and re-establish residency so long as you've had the greencard at least 5 years in total. (Continuous residency being the N-400 requirement and separate from whether or not you abandoned your greencard.)

Don't know about communist party or affiliated organizations, but I only listed the professional organizations that I became a member of when I started work. I did not list any of the organizations I belonged to in high school, college or grad school. Frankly, I can't imagine why USCIS would be interested in knowing that I was a member of drama club, pre-med associations, Asian-pacific islander associations, journals or the like run by students. Also, listing them would (1) tax my memory and (2) run to three pages. Use your judgment -- there is such a thing as too much information with USCIS.

**leonidb** · 4th August 2009, 12:43 PM

I see my options clear now, thanks to everybody.

Technical question - how to print N-400 - one side or both sides or they don't care?

Leonid.

**Vorpal** · 4th August 2009, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by leonidb

I see my options clear now, thanks to everybody.

Technical question - how to print N-400 - one side or both sides or they don't care?

Leonid.

One side.

**cpzinga** · 4th August 2009, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by leonidb

I see my options clear now, thanks to everybody.

Technical question - how to print N-400 - one side or both sides or they don't care?

Leonid.

Even though they don't care, print the application form one sided only. It would be easier for the IO to review the application form (double sided printout may lead to the IO being really pissed off. He would need to flip that binder all the time). USCIS uses binders that require two holes be punched at the top of each sheet.

**WBH** · 4th August 2009, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by cpzinga

Even though they don't care, print the application form one sided only. It would be easier for the IO to review the application form (double sided printout may lead to the IO being really pissed off. He would need to flip that binder all the time). USCIS uses binders that require two holes be punched at the top of each sheet.

and they make need to make copies of your N400 too and it is hard for them to copy two-sided to one sided.