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  1. FBI Name Check

    Hi All,

    The purpose of this thread is to have timelines for people stuck in namecheck.
    All these people are GC Pending but have had their Interview

    Also if any of you have information related to this - please pm me or share it so that I could add the link and it can be benefecial to everybody.


    Note: Please do not put this message in quote when replying.



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    Interview     FP Date        ND        Country             ScreenName
    02/16/05      07/14/06                  Slovakia            Milota
    08/11/05      05/18/05    07/07/03                          OceanID99 
    11/xx/05      10/14/05                  India               rajeshch 
    01/09/06      07/19/05                  India               AK
    01/24/06      05/06/05                  India               amishah
    01/24/06      07/07/05                  India               sammy1877
    02/xx/06                  10/xx/05                          answersinthis
    03/20/06      07/21/05    07/07/05      India               jparikh1
    03/xx/06                  11/xx/05                          imcaffeine
    06/12/06      03/31/06                  India               cs2004
    06/27/06      02/22/06    02/22/06      India               shahpr787
    06/29/06      03/08/06                  India               tapskap
    06/29/06      04/08/06    01/06/06      Hong Kong           Bochuchow
    10/30/06      05/11/06    04/26/06      India               indian_4
    The information from the above list will be moved to below list when the person is approved
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    Interview     FP Date        ND        Country        ScreenName   Approval Dt
    
    07/07/06      04/04/06    03/22/06    Philippines     eugene176    07/26/06
    06/26/06      04/18/06                England         UnionJax     08/15/06
    06/29/06      04/15/06    03/02/06    Pakistan        IP_everywhere08/20/06
    07/31/06      04/18/06    04/03/06    England         ndc121
    08/24/06      06/06/06                India           miamilover   09/11/06
    10/26/04      07/01/04                India           memme        11/08/06
    11/19/04      11/29/04                Pakistan        EricNeesGC  12/01/06
    05/09/06      01/09/06                China           Hiddendragon38 
    05/18/06      03/08/06    11/16/05    Malaysia        cwtt
    06/05/06      03/14/06                India           immg
    02/14/06      12/01/05    10/20/05    China           appleyao
    01/27/06      12/14/05                India           siri80
    06/xx/04      10/xx/03                India           GCWaitLA
    Good Links having more information regarding this:

    The FBI's VISA Name Check Process - Congressional Testimony

    FBI - Website - National Name Check Program—Frequently Asked Questions

    PDF Document

    Submitting a Case Problem, CIS Ombudsman

    FBI Name Check Details - PDF Document

    Threads

    FBI Namechk n FOIA - Comparison n Filing Instructions

    Suing USCIS Thread

    Writ of Mandamus - Instructions and Procedure

    More on Suing

    EricNees GC very informative Thread

    NO MORE WOM

    New Namecheck Process Hopefully

    Various Letter Formats

    Also guys if anybody finds informative links regarding Name Check - please send me a PM with the info and I will update it here. I may miss it sometimes if posted in the thread
    Last edited by shahpr787; 26th December 2007 at 07:47 PM.

  2. This is a good thread, I think adding a colum for outcome will be nice.

    cheers
    01/12/06--- Married to USC
    03/24/06--- RD
    03/29/06--- ND
    04/17/06--- FP for I-175 & 1-485
    04/12/06--- RFE date (04/08/06)
    04/28/06----RFE Received
    07/11/06----Approved but pending name check
    08/20/06----Welcome notice mail
    08/28/06----GC Received

  3. Hi justnew,

    I had that column but it was screwing the formatting. Anyways to add the suggestion I have changed the above format to accomodate the suggestion.

    Check it out.
    H1B married to USC wife DO:Newark
    • Jan 21(Day 1)–ND for I130, I765, I131, I485
    • Feb 05(Day 16)–Rcvd ND for FP interview
    • Feb 22(Day 33)–FP Appt for both I-765, I-485
    • March 17(Day 56)–I131 approved
    • March 21(Day 60)–Rcvd I131
    • March 22(Day 61)–I765 approved online.
    • March 28(Day 67)–Received EAD
    • April 28(Day 99)-Rcvd Interview Date document
    • June 27 2006 (Day 159) Interview Complete. Namecheck Pending
    • Dec 15 06 Filed-Renewal of EAD & AP
    • Jan 15 07 Fingerprinting Date

  4. Nice work shahpr....This thread will definately help....just a thought....the immigration officer told me that the name check depends on the last name,country,birth date....we can have one more column..."Birth Year"......and instead of the whole last name....people can give the first or the first two letters of their last name....considering that this is a public forum....first two letters shud also be gud enuf....just to get an idea.....again....just a thought...people may think otherwise...My DO was also Newark.....n the officer used the same words...he is convinced ....the marriage is genuine...but cannot approve...BLAH BLAH....
    RD (I765,I130,I485) : Feb 16th,2006
    Notice Date(I765,I130,I485) : Feb 21st,2006
    Biometrics Code3:March 7th,2006
    EAD Approved (I 765) :April 28th,2006
    EAD Arrived in mail (I 765) :May 9th,2006...
    Interview Date (I485) : June 29,2006...
    Recd Email from IO that Name Check has cleared...June 6,2007
    Conditional GC expires 6/4/2009
    Sent I-751 to VSC...3/9/2009
    RD...3/12/2009
    Biomatrix done-4/14/2009

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    I have something to say to those of you who have got their namecheck pending and they got their interview within 3-4 months of filling.
    Its just a thought nothing concrete.
    My i-485 notice date was mar 2, 06 and had interview on jun 29, that is less than 4 months form applying. Our officer mentioned this a couple of times during the interview that its becoming very common now-a-days for ppl to get stuck in name check since USCIS have started scheduling interviews way too early, so they don;t get FBI result back in time for the interview.
    So I'm hoping in such cases, FBI woud take few months to response to USCIS as oppose to 2-3 yrs which it used to take for clearing up pending namechecks.
    Thanks

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    Shahpr,

    Wat do you say we shoudl add the Notice date as well ????

  7. tapskap - Putting Birth Year wouldnt be helpful at all becuase that has no relation to getting stuck in namecheck meaning -

    This is how my officer explained me - They start your name check by your Last Name - Once they get hit (meaning matching records) then they start combination search - such as Last Name and First Name. Now when you get hits again then they add one more parameter - such as Last Name, First Name and Birth Date. As records keeps going down they keep adding paramters till they make sure you are not in them.

    Hence as you see having birth date has nothing to do with you getting stuck - It is primarliy last name and then based on ur luck on combination searches - you would come out clean.

    Also please note that I have read that when they start combination searches it is a manual process - atleast thats what I ahve heard.

    ip_everywhere - I think adding the ND is a good idea because you are right in the sense that people are getting interviews fairly quicky now-a-days and one reason why name check is not done as you mentioned.

    So please everybody who are already here in this list - if you can supply me with you ND in the secondary thread i will add it on here
    H1B married to USC wife DO:Newark
    • Jan 21(Day 1)–ND for I130, I765, I131, I485
    • Feb 05(Day 16)–Rcvd ND for FP interview
    • Feb 22(Day 33)–FP Appt for both I-765, I-485
    • March 17(Day 56)–I131 approved
    • March 21(Day 60)–Rcvd I131
    • March 22(Day 61)–I765 approved online.
    • March 28(Day 67)–Received EAD
    • April 28(Day 99)-Rcvd Interview Date document
    • June 27 2006 (Day 159) Interview Complete. Namecheck Pending
    • Dec 15 06 Filed-Renewal of EAD & AP
    • Jan 15 07 Fingerprinting Date

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahpr787
    tapskap - Putting Birth Year wouldnt be helpful at all becuase that has no relation to getting stuck in namecheck meaning -

    This is how my officer explained me - They start your name check by your Last Name - Once they get hit (meaning matching records) then they start combination search - such as Last Name and First Name. Now when you get hits again then they add one more parameter - such as Last Name, First Name and Birth Date. As records keeps going down they keep adding paramters till they make sure you are not in them.

    Hence as you see having birth date has nothing to do with you getting stuck - It is primarliy last name and then based on ur luck on combination searches - you would come out clean.

    Also please note that I have read that when they start combination searches it is a manual process - atleast thats what I ahve heard.

    ip_everywhere - I think adding the ND is a good idea because you are right in the sense that people are getting interviews fairly quicky now-a-days and one reason why name check is not done as you mentioned.

    So please everybody who are already here in this list - if you can supply me with you ND in the secondary thread i will add it on here
    shahpr, I would disagree with you. My first name as well as last name is very very English...and trust me on that. However, my country of citizinship is Pakistan. My dad, however, has an uncommon Muslim name. I have been stuck in name check for the 19 months now. From what my officer told me, it went like this.

    First, it depends on your name and DOB and then country of birth/citizenship. According to them, there is nothing more to it officially but I am sure religion and age counts. Ofcourse they cannot ask for religion directly as it would be discrimination but they can figure it out by your or your parent's name.

    I did start a similar thread a few months ago but it died down due to lack of response. Ofcourse not very many people were stuck in name check at that time but I guess this time there are more and your thread will get good response.

    Sorry to post in this thread but I thought the message would be delivered better through this response. I have posted my timeline in your other thread.

    Thanks

    Eric
    04/11/2001 - I-130 mailed
    05/22/2002 - I-130 approved
    11/18/2004 - Wife became USC
    11/19/2004 – i-485 filed through DORA.
    11/30/2004 – FP
    12/01/2006 – FBI completes FP
    12/07/2004 - LUD Change - FP Received
    11/22/2005 - Applied for Renewal EAD
    12/16/2005 - Biometrics for Renewal EAD
    02/23/2006 - Received Renewal EAD
    10/31/2006 - Applied for Renewal EAD
    11/25/2006 - Biometrics for Renewal EAD
    12/01/2006 - Received Welcome Letter Mailed Email from USCIS

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricNeesGC
    shahpr, I would disagree with you. My first name as well as last name is very very English...and trust me on that. However, my country of citizinship is Pakistan. My dad, however, has an uncommon Muslim name. I have been stuck in name check for the 19 months now. From what my officer told me, it went like this.

    First, it depends on your name and DOB and then country of birth/citizenship. According to them, there is nothing more to it officially but I am sure religion and age counts. Ofcourse they cannot ask for religion directly as it would be discrimination but they can figure it out by your or your parent's name.

    I did start a similar thread a few months ago but it died down due to lack of response. Ofcourse not very many people were stuck in name check at that time but I guess this time there are more and your thread will get good response.

    Sorry to post in this thread but I thought the message would be delivered better through this response. I have posted my timeline in your other thread.

    Thanks

    Eric
    Just wondering! why aren't you sueing USCIS. Its being 19 months I guess you'd have better chance of winning the case.

  10. Please add my case as well

    I-130/I1-485 Oct'03 (marriage to USC)

    Interview Jun'04 ...Pending Name Check ever since...

    Writen to Senator(s), Congressman , FBI (FOIPA-No Hit)...visited USCIS office a few times ...im not sure what else can I do besides filing a law suit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GCWaitLA
    Please add my case as well

    I-130/I1-485 Oct'03 (marriage to USC)

    Interview Jun'04 ...Pending Name Check ever since...

    Writen to Senator(s), Congressman , FBI (FOIPA-No Hit)...visited USCIS office a few times ...im not sure what else can I do besides filing a law suit...
    Filing writ of mandamus seems to be the only solution for this problem.
    What are you thinking go ahead and sue them.

  12. name check after approval?

    i had my interview on monday and no-one mentioned name check... would i have got my 'welcome to the usa' letter if my name check was still pending? he gave me an approved letter before i left and said the GC should be with me within 2 weeks...

    timeline:

    March 31, '06 - mailed applications (I-130, I-864, G-325, I-131, I-485) to Chicago lock box.

    April 8, '06 - received receipts for all of above.

    April 18, '06 - Received notification of Biometrics appointment, which was for...

    April 19, '06 - Had biometrics done.

    May 20, 2006 - Receive notification of interview date.

    June 26, '06 - Advance parole notice arrives.

    June 30 - Employment authorisation notice arrives.

    July 3 - Interview and approval.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by grundland
    i had my interview on monday and no-one mentioned name check... would i have got my 'welcome to the usa' letter if my name check was still pending? he gave me an approved letter before i left and said the GC should be with me within 2 weeks...
    No, they wouldn't have checked "welcome to USA.." if your name check was pending. You got your approval, which means all the checks are done. You'll get your GC soon.
    Congratulations!!!!!

  14. FBI name check and google

    My attorney told me that you can get a good idea about whether your name check will take a while by how many hits you get on google when you enter your own name. I was wondering whether anyone stuck in name check has seen how many google hits they get.

    -also, is there an LUD for the I-485 when namecheck is done??
    DO: California
    6/15/09: Mailed N-400 application via UPS
    6/16/09: Application delivered in Phoenix, AZ & PD
    6/19/09: Check cashed
    6/24/09: Received receipt
    6/29/09: FP Notice received
    6/30/09: Fingerprints done - Walk-in
    7/17/09: FP Appointment
    8/03/09: Received IL
    9/15/09: Interview - "Recommended for Approval" & Received Oath Letter During Interview
    9/28/09: Oath Date - USC
    9/30/09: LA Passport Office Appointment
    10/02/09: Picked up Passport Book and Card

  15. Hi EricNeesGC,

    I agree with you regarding the age and religion thing. Regarding the DOB - what I explained above was just how my officer explained me.

    You might be totally right on the way you have written - I guess the motive being as long as we all move out of the list to the one below

    Regarding the thread dying down - My intention is to educate myself and people (who all are in similar case) since so many of us are stuck now in this process as the interview is coming quicker for many people.

    Ofcourse if people dont contribute then this thread would die on it own..and I hope not......

    Anways thanks for your comments and please do keep writing in here so as it helps all of us.

    And also this is the right place to write comments such as yours - My idea was to have only dates in the different thread so that it would make this thread a bit cleaner. But helpful comments such as urs are defnitely welcome here
    H1B married to USC wife DO:Newark
    • Jan 21(Day 1)–ND for I130, I765, I131, I485
    • Feb 05(Day 16)–Rcvd ND for FP interview
    • Feb 22(Day 33)–FP Appt for both I-765, I-485
    • March 17(Day 56)–I131 approved
    • March 21(Day 60)–Rcvd I131
    • March 22(Day 61)–I765 approved online.
    • March 28(Day 67)–Received EAD
    • April 28(Day 99)-Rcvd Interview Date document
    • June 27 2006 (Day 159) Interview Complete. Namecheck Pending
    • Dec 15 06 Filed-Renewal of EAD & AP
    • Jan 15 07 Fingerprinting Date

  16. FBI Security Check Pending

    I'm part of the similar situation ! My case is even stuck in name check.

    Here is my timeline, if someone can add to the list:

    H1b Married to USC
    ND - July 7, 2005 (for all forms - I485,765,130.131)
    FP Done On - July 21, 2005
    Interview Date for I-485 - March 20, 2006
    Officer mentioned that she would approve the I-130, but 485 is still pending because the security check is pending.

  17. Country Of origin - India

    Thx

  18. Hello everyone,

    I did my own research from another friend of mine who got interviewed in LA months ago. She also never received any approval during the interview and no mention of conditional status. The officer simply told her that he cannot give any approval unless the background check is complete. He also said that if they find no record, then it usually takes less than 30 days. However, if they find a record, he can't really say how long. Anyway, my friend received a notice after 2 weeks requesting them to come back to sign conditional status and make a thumb print which was a fairly quick process according to her. So I am keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that this will be the case for me.

    Just like the comment above, I want to believe that the approval process is changing because people are getting early interviews and the FBI name check is not yet ready just in time for the interviews. Just thinking aloud......

    Can't lose hope now right?
    Timeline

    H1B Married to USC
    DO Los Angeles
    March 18 Mailed I-765, I-485, I-130
    March 19 Received Date
    March 22 Notice Date
    April 4 Bio Completed for I-485 and I-765
    May 18 Received interview schedule
    May 27 Received email notification -EAD approval
    May 30 Received actual EAD card in the mail
    July 7 Interview Pending Background Check
    July 22 I-485 Approved
    July 26 Welcome Notice Received
    July 31 Received Permanent Resident Card

  19. For all of us who have pending name check recently, I just want to confirm that my interviewer did confirmed that the interview dates is coming very earlier than before and that is why the name check is still pending.

    I know it's not the same thing as working home with the stamp or letter but I am happy that I am done with the interview and knows that I was not denied. I just want to encourage us to keep our hopes alife & trust God and He will grant us our heart desire.

    cheers
    01/12/06--- Married to USC
    03/24/06--- RD
    03/29/06--- ND
    04/17/06--- FP for I-175 & 1-485
    04/12/06--- RFE date (04/08/06)
    04/28/06----RFE Received
    07/11/06----Approved but pending name check
    08/20/06----Welcome notice mail
    08/28/06----GC Received

  20. Finding out NC status before the interview

    Did any GC applicant try to find out their Name Check status before going to AOS interview?

    I'm not talking about FOIA or FOIPA or anything like this, I'm about FBI Name Check Status.

    I know, this isn't easy if possible at all. As far I know from some earlier posts on the 'Citizenship' forum, it's been quite a while since FBI stopped responding to such requests, however I'm not sure if this is true for now; in addition I heard that in some rare cases people somehow were able to do this.

    Thanks
    USC petitioning for a wife, San Francisco.

    6/09/6 - ND (I-130, 485, 131). Last name incorrect on I-485 NOA
    6/14/6 - Called CIS, told name will be fixed in 30 days
    6/28/6 - FP. Last name same wrong. Told they couldn't fix it
    6/29/6 - AOS Interview Notice. Last name wrong
    7/24/6 - INFOPASS: IO sent request to fix name
    8/23/6 - AOS Interview: No decision
    9/01/6 - I-130 approved
    9/08/6 - INFOPASS: Case still under review; name incorrect; filled G-14
    9/20/6 - I-485 approved; name correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by qim
    Did any GC applicant try to find out their Name Check status before going to AOS interview?

    I'm not talking about FOIA or FOIPA or anything like this, I'm about FBI Name Check Status.

    I know, this isn't easy if possible at all. As far I know from some earlier posts on the 'Citizenship' forum, it's been quite a while since FBI stopped responding to such requests, however I'm not sure if this is true for now; in addition I heard that in some rare cases people somehow were able to do this.

    Thanks
    Try making an infopass apointtmnet to ask about it .

  22. Quote Originally Posted by ip_everywhere
    Try making an infopass apointtmnet to ask about it .
    I was thinking about this... but wandering whether anybody actually tried this (going to Infopass specifically to ask about NC status) or simply asked while on appointment for a different reason. Please share your experiences who did.

    Thanks
    Last edited by qim; 13th July 2006 at 03:38 AM.
    USC petitioning for a wife, San Francisco.

    6/09/6 - ND (I-130, 485, 131). Last name incorrect on I-485 NOA
    6/14/6 - Called CIS, told name will be fixed in 30 days
    6/28/6 - FP. Last name same wrong. Told they couldn't fix it
    6/29/6 - AOS Interview Notice. Last name wrong
    7/24/6 - INFOPASS: IO sent request to fix name
    8/23/6 - AOS Interview: No decision
    9/01/6 - I-130 approved
    9/08/6 - INFOPASS: Case still under review; name incorrect; filled G-14
    9/20/6 - I-485 approved; name correct

  23. Quote Originally Posted by qim
    I was thinking about this... but wandering whether anybody actually tried this (going to Infopass spicifically to ask about NC status) or simply asked while on appointment for a different reason. Please share your experiences who did.

    Thanks
    I haven't done it myself but you can do it. Infopass is a pass to go to DO if you have ANY question regarding your case. My question is what difference it will make? Besides ofcourse you will feel better if it is completed but will lose your sleep if it is not.
    Mailed I-130, I-485, I-131 and I-765- 03/31/2005
    Received Receipt Notices for I130, I485, I765 & I131 on 04/12/2005
    FP & Biomatric completed 05/06/2005
    AP approved online 05/25/2005
    Received AP in the mail 05/31/2005
    EAD approved online 06/01/2005
    Received corrected EAD card on 06/25/2005
    Received Interview Letter 10/24/2005
    Interview 01/24/2006( FBI name check pending)
    FBI Name Check Initiated 04/22/2005
    Refingerprinted for I 485 03/21/2008

  24. Amishah,

    You mentioned your FBI Name Check was initiated on 04/22. Could you please tell me how you found this out? Thank you very much.
    ------------------
    Interview: Nov 2005, approved
    Name Check still pending

  25. Did any one got a change in online

    Hi everyone,

    Did any one with pending name check got a change in online

    I am really curious bcos mine did not change.

    Share yours!

    Thanls
    01/12/06--- Married to USC
    03/24/06--- RD
    03/29/06--- ND
    04/17/06--- FP for I-175 & 1-485
    04/12/06--- RFE date (04/08/06)
    04/28/06----RFE Received
    07/11/06----Approved but pending name check
    08/20/06----Welcome notice mail
    08/28/06----GC Received

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    Quote Originally Posted by ip_everywhere
    Just wondering! why aren't you sueing USCIS. Its being 19 months I guess you'd have better chance of winning the case.
    Suing for what exactly?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by burbankuser
    Amishah,

    You mentioned your FBI Name Check was initiated on 04/22. Could you please tell me how you found this out? Thank you very much.
    ------------------
    Interview: Nov 2005, approved
    Name Check still pending
    I found it out at DO when I went there for my FP for EAD renewal. I asked the officer at window. You can ask it too.
    Mailed I-130, I-485, I-131 and I-765- 03/31/2005
    Received Receipt Notices for I130, I485, I765 & I131 on 04/12/2005
    FP & Biomatric completed 05/06/2005
    AP approved online 05/25/2005
    Received AP in the mail 05/31/2005
    EAD approved online 06/01/2005
    Received corrected EAD card on 06/25/2005
    Received Interview Letter 10/24/2005
    Interview 01/24/2006( FBI name check pending)
    FBI Name Check Initiated 04/22/2005
    Refingerprinted for I 485 03/21/2008

  28. Quote Originally Posted by justnew
    Hi everyone,

    Did any one with pending name check got a change in online

    I am really curious bcos mine did not change.

    Share yours!

    Thanls
    Mine never changed since they received my application last year.
    Mailed I-130, I-485, I-131 and I-765- 03/31/2005
    Received Receipt Notices for I130, I485, I765 & I131 on 04/12/2005
    FP & Biomatric completed 05/06/2005
    AP approved online 05/25/2005
    Received AP in the mail 05/31/2005
    EAD approved online 06/01/2005
    Received corrected EAD card on 06/25/2005
    Received Interview Letter 10/24/2005
    Interview 01/24/2006( FBI name check pending)
    FBI Name Check Initiated 04/22/2005
    Refingerprinted for I 485 03/21/2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddie_d
    Suing for what exactly?
    Suing for not doing their job properly. If you are interested in knowing more abt the suing procedure goto
    http://immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=194681

    BTW a/c to my own research, in 80-90% of pending name check cases, sueing is the only option to get it cleared. Otherwise USCIS would just sit on your appliation for several yrs, if you don;t take any action.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by amishah
    Mine never changed since they received my application last year.
    mine neither~
    Last edited by zlin; 16th July 2006 at 12:35 AM.
    I485 family based RD: April 8, 05
    1FP: May 28, 05
    EAD: June 07, 05
    Interview day: Oct 17, 05. NC pending
    Moved to another state in June 06, still NC pending
    Law Suit MOW served in mid Dec
    2FP: Jan 18, 07
    2nd interview letter: Feb 1, 07 scheduled: Feb 21, 07
    Feb 7th. Phone calls from AUSA and interview officer, interview reschedule on Feb 9th.
    Interview: Feb 9th approved.
    AUSA called faxed approval notice/welcome letter asking for dismiss the case: Feb 12th, 2007

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