Citizenship Denied: Please help me !!!

**eshaan27** · 18th January 2006, 09:10 PM

Hello everyone. My name is Eshaan and I was an asylee and got my GC in late 2000. I applied for U.S Citizenship and was interviewed, they even took my money from me. I gave my tax forms and everything as asked but today I got a letter saying that it has been denied, reason with capital marks "LOYALITY"

What do they mean? CAn anyone help me? Once I got my GC, I visited my home country twice a year every year so 8 times so far for 2 weeks. I making sure that I didn't stay for more than 2 weeks..also no house back home or anything, I stayed with my uncle.

I have renewed my passport twice and the officer asked me again and again why I renewd it when I was an asylee. But i answer him again and again and again that I am not an asylee , I got gc, how is it asylee.

He was very red faced when he said that I cann not go back to home with my card but where is it writen in law that I can't be going home? He also asked me why I renewed my home passport but my lawyer telilng me after getting my GC that it i sok.

What shall I be doing now? I want to be citizen so I can travel freely and apply for my parents back inmy country.

I am happy i finding this website. Please help me if anyone seeing same situation. I talked to laywer but he asks 5000 dollars which is a lot fo rme. I don't have much money. Please help any good people of this immigratng forum. Thank you. may god bles all.

**shamshon** · 18th January 2006, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by eshaan27

Hello everyone. My name is Eshaan and I was an asylee and got my GC in late 2000. I applied for U.S Citizenship and was interviewed, they even took my money from me. I gave my tax forms and everything as asked but today I got a letter saying that it has been denied, reason with capital marks "LOYALITY"

What do they mean? CAn anyone help me? Once I got my GC, I visited my home country twice a year every year so 8 times so far for 2 weeks. I making sure that I didn't stay for more than 2 weeks..also no house back home or anything, I stayed with my uncle.

I have renewed my passport twice and the officer asked me again and again why I renewd it when I was an asylee. But i answer him again and again and again that I am not an asylee , I got gc, how is it asylee.

He was very red faced when he said that I cann not go back to home with my card but where is it writen in law that I can't be going home? He also asked me why I renewed my home passport but my lawyer telilng me after getting my GC that it i sok.

What shall I be doing now? I want to be citizen so I can travel freely and apply for my parents back inmy country.

I am happy i finding this website. Please help me if anyone seeing same situation. I talked to laywer but he asks 5000 dollars which is a lot fo rme. I don't have much money. Please help any good people of this immigratng forum. Thank you. may god bles all.

Are you from a Middle Eastern or a Muslim background? I bet this red faced red neck had already stereotyped you as an enemy combatant. Sick people! I hope they do not take further actions and accuse you of fraud. I believe wantmygcnow wrote about a similar situation where someone with the same circusmtances was not only denied citizenship but was also accused of fraud. I am sorry if my comments do not help but you better hire a good lawyer to help you deal with these racist bastards.

**SINNERSROOM** · 18th January 2006, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by eshaan27

Hello everyone. My name is Eshaan and I was an asylee and got my GC in late 2000. I applied for U.S Citizenship and was interviewed, they even took my money from me. I gave my tax forms and everything as asked but today I got a letter saying that it has been denied, reason with capital marks "LOYALITY"

What do they mean? CAn anyone help me? Once I got my GC, I visited my home country twice a year every year so 8 times so far for 2 weeks. I making sure that I didn't stay for more than 2 weeks..also no house back home or anything, I stayed with my uncle.

I have renewed my passport twice and the officer asked me again and again why I renewd it when I was an asylee. But i answer him again and again and again that I am not an asylee , I got gc, how is it asylee.

He was very red faced when he said that I cann not go back to home with my card but where is it writen in law that I can't be going home? He also asked me why I renewed my home passport but my lawyer telilng me after getting my GC that it i sok.

What shall I be doing now? I want to be citizen so I can travel freely and apply for my parents back inmy country.

I am happy i finding this website. Please help me if anyone seeing same situation. I talked to laywer but he asks 5000 dollars which is a lot fo rme. I don't have much money. Please help any good people of this immigratng forum. Thank you. may god bles all.

5000 is nothing look for another lawyer who might charge u less.

**Murray33** · 18th January 2006, 10:50 PM

Which state are you currently? Are you in San Francisco?

**shahmatist** · 18th January 2006, 11:14 PM

do they cancel your Green Card as well in this kind of situation??? What did your lawyer say?

**opinion** · 18th January 2006, 11:34 PM

"I have renewed my passport twice and the officer asked me again and again why I renewd it when I was an asylee. But i answer him again and again and again that I am not an asylee , I got gc, how is it asylee."
ESHAAN, I feel bad for you,
But I see logic in officer's repeated questions - You got your green card BASED ON ASYLUM, so the rules of NOT renewing your home passport and NOT travel to the country from what you had claimed fear STILL APPLY even after becoming the holder of permanent GC.
Get the experienced lawer and sometimes $ is the only way to get things done on happyending way.
VERY GOODLUCK TO YOU

**ddemissi** · 18th January 2006, 11:42 PM

If you were and/ are an Asylee it’s clear you shouldn’t be going back to your home country, even after getting your GC, you were approved asylum for fear of returning to your home country, but you admitted “I visited my home country twice a year every year so 8 times so far for 2 weeks” you were defeating the very principle an Asylum law. I am assuming you were denied for that, I don’t know the money issue. I think, you need a well-connected and experience lawyer, to prevent them from taking further action which I think most unlikely and/or reopen your case. Don’t panic you will overcome it, just be rational in coming up with a compelling reasons why you made all those travels. I wish all the best.

**samird** · 18th January 2006, 11:49 PM

bs. so you created the account for this forum in january huh? i just hope people here are with iq>90 and will not believe your bs.

**eshaan27** · 18th January 2006, 11:58 PM

hello good people, I will answer your questions.I am in Seattle and I am not from any middle east country. I talked to the lawyer who told me that it is ok to travel and now he says that He never say that. Please do not trust any lawyer, they are all LIARS! and cheats! I told the officer that I renewed because I travel home to visit my sick parents but he said that If I was sure I was not a holiday-maker. I dont even know what is a holiday maker.

The lawyer i talk to he says that he will charge me 5000 dollars but he will file after 10 months since that what it says in the letter. The letter also saying that I can't appeal this decision but apply in 10 months. The lawyer I talked to say that It is big fault if someone winning asylum renews his passport but then i asking him why does the welcome letter say that all green carders are treated the same? But he say that it is writen like that but it don't mean like that. How is it possible that a law is written something and meant something else?

I asking the lawer where in law it says that I can not go back home but he say that I say during my asylum interview that I was scared to go home so wwhy I go home. But I tell him that in 5 years situations change, look at other countries like bosnia and iraq. I planning to go back home again in march for a wedding but dont know if I will be allowed to come back.

I am very worried and I dont know what to do. Will they send me back but I make my life here. At the point of my asylum in 1996, my country was different with different people and government but when I go back, it was different...

All I can do is wait for 10 months and reapply again and pay the fee and do all the stupid process againb.

**cadel** · 19th January 2006, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by eshaan27

Hello everyone. My name is Eshaan and I was an asylee and got my GC in late 2000. I applied for U.S Citizenship and was interviewed, they even took my money from me. I gave my tax forms and everything as asked but today I got a letter saying that it has been denied, reason with capital marks "LOYALITY"

What do they mean? CAn anyone help me? Once I got my GC, I visited my home country twice a year every year so 8 times so far for 2 weeks. I making sure that I didn't stay for more than 2 weeks..also no house back home or anything, I stayed with my uncle.

I have renewed my passport twice and the officer asked me again and again why I renewd it when I was an asylee. But i answer him again and again and again that I am not an asylee , I got gc, how is it asylee.

He was very red faced when he said that I cann not go back to home with my card but where is it writen in law that I can't be going home? He also asked me why I renewed my home passport but my lawyer telilng me after getting my GC that it i sok.

What shall I be doing now? I want to be citizen so I can travel freely and apply for my parents back inmy country.

I am happy i finding this website. Please help me if anyone seeing same situation. I talked to laywer but he asks 5000 dollars which is a lot fo rme. I don't have much money. Please help any good people of this immigratng forum. Thank you. may god bles all.

In my understanding if citizenship is denied because of going back to C.O.P that means there is a fraud on your asylum.In this situation,your asylum status and your Green Card based on asylum should be automaticaly revoked.
Your citizenship may be denied for another reason since they ask you to apply again in 10 months.You need to find out.If you confirm that your citizenship was denied cause you went back to C.O.P then make sure you're no longer legal in this country.You will loose your asylum status and your Green Card.There is nothing a lawyer can do in this case since they said you can't appeal.BUT THE THING MAKING CONFUSION IN YOUR STATEMENT IS THEY DENIED YOUR CITIZENSHIP BECAUSE YOU RENEWED YOUR NP AND WENT BACK TO C.O.P.THAT MEANS THERE IS A FRAUD ON YOUR APPLICATION AND I DON'T SEE WHY THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW YOU TO APPLY AGAIN AFTER 10 MONTHS !
Good luck anyway.

RD Aug 22,2001
Approved Sep 15,2005
GC received Sep 20,2005

**freemanmo** · 19th January 2006, 12:55 AM

I think that you are fine so far, the letter said you can apply in 10 months, so you are still at PR status, But you should prepare well for next interview, give officers detailed and strong reasons why you returned your home country eight times instead of arguing with him. good luck

**bringslite** · 19th January 2006, 01:18 AM

I guess the Million Dollars question is: What if the situation in your home country changes after getting a GC? Will the INS revoke your asylum and deport you since now you do not fear for your life (suuposdly)? Or you should just not visit under any circumistances?

For those who have been around in this country for sometime, I remeber a case back in the late 80's about a person I think form South America who was being deported because the situation in his country had changed, but his lawyer argued that his client has lived in this country long enough that he would not be able to function if he is to return. He won his case!

**Asylee13** · 19th January 2006, 01:26 AM

eshaan, i feel sorry for situation but at the same time i have no sympathy for people like you.
You think asylum is a joke. Let me tell you what he meant by "holiday maker" .. one who requests protection and then goes every year to his home country for holidaying.
You are lucky he didn't deport you immediately. I am with the officer. It's people like you who bring bad name to asylees. I am sorry to say you deserve no sympathy. One one hand there are people like me who are dying to visit home once after getting GC just because i think it is "morally" wrong to renew the NP or go back to home country and on the other hand there are people like you who go every year. Shame on you. I think you should be deported immediately.

**Paramvir1** · 19th January 2006, 01:32 AM

" LOYALTY"
did you register with selective services...?

**hadron** · 19th January 2006, 01:40 AM

It allways puzzles me how many people who one day had a 'believable fear of persecution' are able to return to their country of persecution the day they either obtain their GC or citizenship (without suffering any untoward effects).

Renewing your passport (and thereby your continued affirmation of citizenship of this country) is probably the main reason he turned you down. Becoming a citizen requires you to swear of any 'allegiance to a foreign prince'. Actively taking steps to maintain the citizenship of your country of persecution is a bit of a red flag in that regard.

I think your lawyer sucks. Look for a different lawyer to prepare a new citizenship filing a year or so down the road. Do NOT travel back home, do NOT renew your passport.

**jubilee** · 19th January 2006, 02:22 AM

here we can see an issue of loyality..
any immigration officer may question the loyality of an individual who has two citizenships...In my opinion the officer look in your case as an applicant who willing to maintain his country citizenship .
I don't think so far ..you been accused of immigration fraud.
do not travel abrod for now..wait 10 months and re-apply again...all you need is good lawyer able to present your case correctly.. since you withness a change in your country conditions
never loss hope...you gonna make it.

**peguin12** · 19th January 2006, 02:48 AM

Citizenship Denied: Please help me !!!
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Hello everyone. My name is Eshaan and I was an asylee and got my GC in late 2000. I applied for U.S Citizenship and was interviewed, they even took my money from me. I gave my tax forms and everything as asked but today I got a letter saying that it has been denied, reason with capital marks "LOYALITY"
What do they mean? CAn anyone help me? Once I got my GC, I visited my home country twice a year every year so 8 times so far for 2 weeks. I making sure that I didn't stay for more than 2 weeks..also no house back home or anything, I stayed with my uncle.
I have renewed my passport twice and the officer asked me again and again why I renewd it when I was an asylee. But i answer him again and again and again that I am not an asylee , I got gc, how is it asylee.
He was very red faced when he said that I cann not go back to home with my card but where is it writen in law that I can't be going home? He also asked me why I renewed my home passport but my lawyer telilng me after getting my GC that it i sok.
What shall I be doing now? I want to be citizen so I can travel freely and apply for my parents back inmy country.
I am happy i finding this website. Please help me if anyone seeing same situation. I talked to laywer but he asks 5000 dollars which is a lot fo rme. I don't have much money. Please help any good people of this immigratng forum. Thank you. may god bles all.

Did you indicate that you are planning to fly back home on march for a wedding? Looks like you did not learn anything for the interview.
So, why did you choose to argue with the officer instead of explaining the reason you visited your country every 6months?
Sounds like you were being defensive and arogant

**africa** · 19th January 2006, 04:33 AM

I think the main reason he denied you is how you argued with him.these people have power to help you even for the fact that you renewed you NP and you went back home.what is done is done.find a good lawyer and do not argue with some body like IO.good luck.

**kaoticfury** · 19th January 2006, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by africa

I think the main reason he denied you is how you argued with him.these people have power to help you even for the fact that you renewed you NP and you went back home.what is done is done.find a good lawyer and do not argue with some body like IO.good luck.

I agree
NEVER argue with any IO, whether you enter the country or during interview.
There are many asylees apply for citizenship every year; i am sure that some of them go back home and they still got the citizenship. its not just because of luck

find a good lawyer, this is why lawyers are so valuable....because when you have done something wrong, they always find some solutions to get you out of hot water

**copper1** · 19th January 2006, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Asylee13

eshaan, i feel sorry for situation but at the same time i have no sympathy for people like you.
You think asylum is a joke. Let me tell you what he meant by "holiday maker" .. one who requests protection and then goes every year to his home country for holidaying.
You are lucky he didn't deport you immediately. I am with the officer. It's people like you who bring bad name to asylees. I am sorry to say you deserve no sympathy. One one hand there are people like me who are dying to visit home once after getting GC just because i think it is "morally" wrong to renew the NP or go back to home country and on the other hand there are people like you who go every year. Shame on you. I think you should be deported immediately.

Asylee 13. Make sure you never go back to your native country as long as you live, even after you become USC. If they do that they will strip you off your citizenship and deport you. He has been denied for "LOYALTY" and allowed to file again in 10 months. Just because officer could not do anything about him going back home twice a year he just slapped this on him. FYI, Officer cannot deport an asylee GC holder for visiting home country. I am sure if he would have visited home once or twice in the whole time then he would have been fine. I know numerous asylees have visited home countries during GC, renewed and always travelled in national passports. Durng interview they took their native passport and no one asked them anything about asylum.

**wantmygcnow** · 19th January 2006, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Asylee13

eshaan, i feel sorry for situation but at the same time i have no sympathy for people like you.
You think asylum is a joke. Let me tell you what he meant by "holiday maker" .. one who requests protection and then goes every year to his home country for holidaying.
You are lucky he didn't deport you immediately. I am with the officer. It's people like you who bring bad name to asylees. I am sorry to say you deserve no sympathy. One one hand there are people like me who are dying to visit home once after getting GC just because i think it is "morally" wrong to renew the NP or go back to home country and on the other hand there are people like you who go every year. Shame on you. I think you should be deported immediately.

Eshaan, I would ask you to talk to a good lawyer. Usually a lawyer can get more information about the denial than the applicant.

I also tell you this that "you can apply in 10 months" is a generic message, it doesn't mean you can apply in 10 months. YOu just have to wait and see what USCIS does, Do they forward your case to fraud division or what? So i would say cross your fingers for 10 months and hopefully you can apply.

In the meantime, i recommend you do this

1)Don't go back to your home country until you become a citizen
2)Forfeit your Home Country's citizenship after talking to a lawyer. You are stateless and you can remain stateless.
3)Start gathering info about why you went back and provide valid reasons. You can't say "i went for a vacation." A wedding or a sickness are valid excuses.

And lastly, don't worry about the people on this forum. I think 9 out of 10 people, including me, during our interviews said in our head that "Oh god I hope I get approved, I swear i will never see my home country ever again"

And mostly all lawyers claim that it is ok to go back onc eyou have a GC. Eshaan went back when he was a PR and not an ASYLEE. Thats a huge difference. I think the officer made a mistake, maybe he misunderstood you when you said that you went back as a PR and not asylee...

Again a lawyer can find more information from the officer and maybe this was just a misunderstanding due to language problem.

Asylee13, and others let cut this guy a little break...and not accuse him of fraud when we dont' know his case or anything about it.

**GrassRoot** · 19th January 2006, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by wantmygcnow

Eshaan, I would ask you to talk to a good lawyer. Usually a lawyer can get more information about the denial than the applicant.

I also tell you this that "you can apply in 10 months" is a generic message, it doesn't mean you can apply in 10 months. YOu just have to wait and see what USCIS does, Do they forward your case to fraud division or what? So i would say cross your fingers for 10 months and hopefully you can apply.

In the meantime, i recommend you do this

1)Don't go back to your home country until you become a citizen
2)Forfeit your Home Country's citizenship after talking to a lawyer. You are stateless and you can remain stateless.
3)Start gathering info about why you went back and provide valid reasons. You can't say "i went for a vacation." A wedding or a sickness are valid excuses.

And lastly, don't worry about the people on this forum. I think 9 out of 10 people, including me, during our interviews said in our head that "Oh god I hope I get approved, I swear i will never see my home country ever again"

And mostly all lawyers claim that it is ok to go back onc eyou have a GC. Eshaan went back when he was a PR and not an ASYLEE. Thats a huge difference. I think the officer made a mistake, maybe he misunderstood you when you said that you went back as a PR and not asylee...

Again a lawyer can find more information from the officer and maybe this was just a misunderstanding due to language problem.

Asylee13, and others let cut this guy a little break...and not accuse him of fraud when we dont' know his case or anything about it.

Well said, WantmyGCnow, all of us should be relaxed a little, because the deny letter itself is so generic and Eshann needs to find out the exact reason.

Even for for the sensitive issues such as visit to CoP, Eshann has some legal ground to argue because of the change in his country. If CIS moves to cancel your GC, another example by one Forumee that the "root" you have here now can be your point for court proceedings. Just be prepared for long journey ahead now.

Questions for Eshann:

1. In the end of that interview, what did the IO say to you ? Did s/he imply anything or fact in your application is inadmissible ?

2. Did s/he just know your NP renewal and/or travel to CoP at your interview when you showed up your NP ( For AS based GC, this is not required )?
Did CIS ever send you a RFE to request you to mail them your original NP ?

3. In addition to going back and renewed NP, did you have any other issues like selective service, tax, federal employment application, pending charges, etc ? They are much more careful now after 911 and it appears they know everything.

4. You definitely need a help from a good immigration attorney, although it may be hard to find. But the good thing is you have at least "10 month" to find ( But I am sure CIS will send you a letter before 10 month, otherwise, just go ahead to apply again after 10 month but be ready to give valid reason for your previous denial )

Question for WantmyGCnow:

1. Is there any real example that a person with USC/GC/AS track was deported in the past ? Please give the link in either this forum or legal documents.

2. If we get USC, are we really worry-free to visit CoP ? Some members even question about that.

Thanks.

**windywd** · 19th January 2006, 01:12 PM

Hmmm....

Can't believe they are really serious about that. But, based on my experience in Canada, even if you become PR, you get nailed pretty badly, if they know (and they will) that you travelled through third country and used two travel documents including your NP.

Gone the time that "U.S. doesn't have departure police." They asked airlines swiped your NP every time you are boarding.

You need good attorney. I hope it is just because IO has personal sterotype against nationals of your country. A good attorney, who knows those IO persnally, can tell you if he/she has bias. If so, you will be "sick", and go there for another day, probably with another IO.

**wantmygcnow** · 19th January 2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by GrassRoot

Question for WantmyGCnow:

1. Is there any real example that a person with USC/GC/AS track was deported in the past ? Please give the link in either this forum or legal documents.

2. If we get USC, are we really worry-free to visit CoP ? Some members even question about that.

Thanks.

Grassroot, I haven't heard anyone being stripped of Citizenship unless you claim to be a Nazi or helped them during the nazi government occupation.

As to GC and others being deported..that happens everyday I think. Some for being criminals, some for annuled marriages..some for fraud.. I am sure there lots.

I personally know one person whoose GC was taken away when he applied for citizenship. He did visit his home country once or twice but it was not because of that, It was more of a fraud case and USCIS went all the way through. He did win his case again and was asked to apply for Citizenship again..

2. I think if you are U.S Citizne, you should have no problems going to COP

**GreenCardVirus** · 19th January 2006, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by eshaan27

Hello everyone. My name is Eshaan and I was an asylee and got my GC in late 2000. I applied for U.S Citizenship and was interviewed, they even took my money from me. I gave my tax forms and everything as asked but today I got a letter saying that it has been denied, reason with capital marks "LOYALITY"

You travelled back to your home country after seeking asylum? Unless conditions drasticaly improved in your country, any travel would mean a fraud on your part.

**thankful** · 19th January 2006, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by GreenCardVirus

You travelled back to your home country after seeking asylum? Unless conditions drasticaly improved in your country, any travel would mean a fraud on your part.

Exactly. This is simple logics that even a kid understands.

**free100** · 19th January 2006, 03:40 PM

I'm just thinking aloud and wondering how come no one asked some very important questions?? Lets consider that things in his COP changed and he made trips twice a year for whatever reason. How come first of all he could afford 2 weeks vacation from work every year...!! lets say OK he gets 2 weeks vacation every year that he uses visiting COP. Can he afford those trips?? Obviously he travels by Air, and then the expenses back home..! How much he spends on these visits??? But come to think of it..he cannot afford $5000 for a lawyer to file a case on which his life depends on...!! Please someone tell me....does it make any sense????

**Cl_Asylee** · 19th January 2006, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by free100

I'm just thinking aloud and wondering how come no one asked some very important questions?? Lets consider that things in his COP changed and he made trips twice a year for whatever reason. How come first of all he could afford 2 weeks vacation from work every year...!! lets say OK he gets 2 weeks vacation every year that he uses visiting COP. Can he afford those trips?? Obviously he travels by Air, and then the expenses back home..! How much he spends on these visits??? But come to think of it..he cannot afford $5000 for a lawyer to file a case on which his life depends on...!! Please someone tell me....does it make any sense????

That is not your bussiness

**wantmygcnow** · 19th January 2006, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by free100

I'm just thinking aloud and wondering how come no one asked some very important questions?? Lets consider that things in his COP changed and he made trips twice a year for whatever reason. How come first of all he could afford 2 weeks vacation from work every year...!! lets say OK he gets 2 weeks vacation every year that he uses visiting COP. Can he afford those trips?? Obviously he travels by Air, and then the expenses back home..! How much he spends on these visits??? But come to think of it..he cannot afford $5000 for a lawyer to file a case on which his life depends on...!! Please someone tell me....does it make any sense????

Well in all honesty, when you spend money on pleasure its more fun than giving money to blood sucking lawyers. My lawyer took an extra thousand bucks to file my I-602, however another forum member who I sent the exact affadavit didn't pay zilch and got approved...before me mind you..

**RAsylee** · 19th January 2006, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by wantmygcnow

Well in all honesty, when you spend money on pleasure its more fun than giving money to blood sucking lawyers. My lawyer took an extra thousand bucks to file my I-602, however another forum member who I sent the exact affadavit didn't pay zilch and got approved...before me mind you..

wantmygcnow,

Don't feel bad. I probably did one of the first few I-602 in this forum (Aug 2003). The lawyer charged me $1500 and lots of aggravation. He took 80 out of the allocated 90 days to "PREPARE" the response. I looked at what he wrote and it was not very impressive...but it is water under the bridge now.......

Regards,