Advantage and Disadvantage of US Citizen vs Green Card

[gcsuffer]

Would someone list all advantage and disadvantage of US Citizen vs Green Card?

I can list one.
Green can leave US temporarily. US citizen does not have this problem.

US Citizen disadvantage:
Holding US passport is not safe on the plane or at some countriesl. Many people hate US!

Does US citizen get more benefit after retirement?

[sony55]

Would someone list all advantage and disadvantage of US Citizen vs Green Card?

I can list one.
Green can leave US temporarily. US citizen does not have this problem.

US Citizen disadvantage:
Holding US passport is not safe on the plane or at some countriesl. Many people hate US!

Does US citizen get more benefit after retirement?

First of all, gcsuffer, I hope that your question is for aiming for knowledge and doesn't intend sarcasm of the benefits of the US citizenship!
But, anway, if you needed the information i will tell you a little , which is what i know about the benefits of the U.S. Citizenship :
1- carrying a US passport will provide you freedom of travel as %99 or world's countries don't require US citizens to obtain a visa to enter those countries. That could save you money too , just kiddng .

2- By being a citizen, you can file petition for relatives and bring your family (sisters, brothers, and parents) to come and live in the US. Although the process could take a long time, but at the end , they will end up here.

3- Many government and federal jobs require US citizenship.

4- Also, some federal and State-funded grants and scholarships for higher education are offered solely to US citizens. And i am not talking about the Pell Grant which is offered to citizens and residents, but the State grants, like the one i applied, and ofcoure got denied, in Tennessee, and it's called TSA, Tennessee Student Assistance.

5- Needless to talk about your rights here as a US citizen living in the United states just like any other US born citizen, you can vote, sue, serve in a jury duty, etc..

6- You cannot be deported as a US citizen , even if you commited a major crime, unless your citizenship was provoked due to lying in the process of naturalization.

That's all for now, i might get some more later.
I hope that helps a little.

[ania]

1. with the current trent in politics the green card holders seem to have less and less rights. who knows what will tomorrow's law bring.
2. if your country is not dual citzp, then you lose right to work, govt jobs, property acquisition rights, who knows what else in your former country.
3. can work for govt here, imagine that you are participating in the political process, can travel (current conditions in the world are not too good for travel though).
4. get bunch of fear and envy from citizens of other countries.

[ania]

Naturalized citizens are still not good for many government jobs. For example state department.

Naturalized ctzn can still have ctzp revoked in many circumstances. Get sent to former country if he has dual ctzp with it. Just recently heard that on tv from Alberto Gonzales.

[gcsuffer]

First of all, gcsuffer, I hope that your question is for aiming for knowledge and doesn't intend sarcasm of the benefits of the US citizenship!
But, anway, if you needed the information i will tell you a little , which is what i know about the benefits of the U.S. Citizenship :
1- carrying a US passport will provide you freedom of travel as %99 or world's countries don't require US citizens to obtain a visa to enter those countries. That could save you money too , just kiddng .

2- By being a citizen, you can file petition for relatives and bring your family (sisters, brothers, and parents) to come and live in the US. Although the process could take a long time, but at the end , they will end up here.

3- Many government and federal jobs require US citizenship.

4- Also, some federal and State-funded grants and scholarships for higher education are offered solely to US citizens. And i am not talking about the Pell Grant which is offered to citizens and residents, but the State grants, like the one i applied, and ofcoure got denied, in Tennessee, and it's called TSA, Tennessee Student Assistance.

5- Needless to talk about your rights here as a US citizen living in the United states just like any other US born citizen, you can vote, sue, serve in a jury duty, etc..

6- You cannot be deported as a US citizen , even if you commited a major crime, unless your citizenship was provoked due to lying in the process of naturalization.

That's all for now, i might get some more later.
I hope that helps a little.

1-4 are nice but I won't use it. It just likes buying a high tech toy, most functions are very nice but many people do not use them.

Only 5,6 count as advantage "for me".

I would like to hear the disadvantage.

[196111]

Naturalized citizens are still not good for many government jobs. For example state department.

Naturalized ctzn can still have ctzp revoked in many circumstances. Get sent to former country if he has dual ctzp with it. Just recently heard that on tv from Alberto Gonzales.

Misleading and incomplete statements!
Instead of relying solely on TV information, how about doing some credible reseach too?

[FoxyIdiot]

I cant believe state dept. would discriminate against naturalized citizens,
that would be unconstitutional. Only req. for those types of jobs other than being a citizen (naturalized or otherwise) would be getting a security clearance. Getting a security clearance though is no easy matter(you have to pass a lie detector test for example-imagine if they had that for immigration/visa applicants!).
Anyway, naturalized citizens are supposed to have all the rights except they cant be president.

[sony55]

Misleading and incomplete statements!
Instead of relying solely on TV information, how about doing some credible reseach too?

196111,
I totally agree with you!
People rely too much on TV and believe everything in it as it was a proven fact! And that is a big MISTAKE. The news on TV could be somehow correct, but often times it's not, and it's tailored to be exciting and attracting.
I, personally, don't believe that America, the source of democracy, could descriminate between a natural born citizen and a naturalized citizen. That's why we take the oath of allegiance and swear to protect and defend this country no matter what before we get the citizenship.
I also agree with Foxy, i don't think such descrimination would be constitutional. The only one different we know about is that a naturalized citizen cannot be a president of the United States. Oh well, big deal, like i would run for president any way. lol

[ravirai]

Let me clarify the state gov point.
I am gc and I work for the state dept. So my working proves that you can work as an "employee" or as a contractor through a consulting firm. I also understand that state govt. usually refrain from hiring a worker on work visa due to complicated process of hiring as well as visa.

To my knowledge, there are few agencies (specially under federal) where sensitive security is of concern. SO it is logical and very natural that those jobs will be reserved for citizens who can pass the eligibility requirements as mentioned by "foxyidiot".

I cant believe state dept. would discriminate against naturalized citizens,
that would be unconstitutional. Only req. for those types of jobs other than being a citizen (naturalized or otherwise) would be getting a security clearance. Getting a security clearance though is no easy matter(you have to pass a lie detector test for example-imagine if they had that for immigration/visa applicants!).
Anyway, naturalized citizens are supposed to have all the rights except they cant be president.

[ania]

1. Blacks and "Orientals" just recently acquired right to be citizens of USA. Before that constituion did not think they are worth it.
2. You can't work as a foreign service officer or in any security sensitive position for example in the State Dept if:
- recently naturalized
- dual citizen (mostly)
- have relatives in other country
- have girlfriend/boyfriend foreign-born
- have wife/husband foreign-born
- hang out with non-americans
- travel overseas
- had any contact with foreign entities other than on US government business
- etc.

[ania]

If you, new son of America, will break 3 times any of the billion laws in her house or decide to travel to another country within 1 year of natur-n, then your new mother will denaturalize you and kick you out of the house. So your citizenship is conditional. Not like that of REAL native-born white protestant men.

[sony55]

1. Blacks and "Orientals" just recently acquired right to be citizens of USA. Before that constituion did not think they are worth it.
2. You can't work as a foreign service officer or in any security sensitive position for example in the State Dept if:
- recently naturalized
- dual citizen (mostly)
- have relatives in other country
- have girlfriend/boyfriend foreign-born
- have wife/husband foreign-born
- hang out with non-americans
- travel overseas
- had any contact with foreign entities other than on US government business
- etc.

I like those two points, so if i hang out with somebody who is not american i cannot work for the state Dept. What am I an idiot to believe that. Everybody in this country is an immigrant!

[Myxomop]

If you, new son of America, will break 3 times any of the billion laws in her house or decide to travel to another country within 1 year of natur-n, then your new mother will denaturalize you and kick you out of the house. So your citizenship is conditional. Not like that of REAL native-born white protestant men.

Could you please be so kind and provide the source of this information about travelling to another country within one year of naturalization? You meant leaving the States for good of just going on vacation? Could you be more specific please.

[sony55]

Could you please be so kind and provide the source of this information about travelling to another country within one year of naturalization? You meant leaving the States for good of just going on vacation? Could you be more specific please.

Ania's information is deviated from the right thing. The point is if you leave the US within your first year of naturalization for more than a year then you could be subject to get your citizenship revoked.

[Harish Krishna]

"Ania's information is deviated from the right thing. The point is if you leave the US within your first year of naturalization for more than a year then you could be subject to get your citizenship revoked."

Could you provide a link to where it says that people could lose their citizenship if they leave the country for more than 1 year shortly after getting naturalized? Thanks.

[sony55]

That is not true anymore. This was repealed in 1994.
For more details, see http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html#1994
"The law had previously stated that a newly naturalized US citizen who, within one year following his naturalization, abandoned his US residence and set up a permanent residence outside the US (whether in his country of origin, or in any other country) was presumed to have misrepresented his intentions regarding permanent residence on his citizenship application (though this presumption could be overcome by appropriate evidence to the contrary), and on this basis could have his US citizenship cancelled retroactively. This provision was also repealed."

****,
I would like to thank you very much for the Piece of law that describe with details that point of argument between us and ania. I was actually looking for that to answer Harish and couldn't find it. When you posted your post, you answered me, ania, and Harish. Thanks again for your effort!

[bashar82]

1. Blacks and "Orientals" just recently acquired right to be citizens of USA. Before that constituion did not think they are worth it.
2. You can't work as a foreign service officer or in any security sensitive position for example in the State Dept if:
- recently naturalized
- dual citizen (mostly)
- have relatives in other country
- have girlfriend/boyfriend foreign-born
- have wife/husband foreign-born
- hang out with non-americans
- travel overseas
- had any contact with foreign entities other than on US government business
- etc.

I had a friend in Bangladesh whose father was a US diplomat and her mother was from Ecuador (sp?) who after at least 17 years of marriage refused to get US citizenship.
A former US ambassador to Israel under Clinton used to be the head of Australian intelligence. He was appointed ambassador shortly after being naturalized.

[ania]

Muhomor:

Here it talks about 3 years, not 1 year. I also read about 1 year somewhere.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/c...icle01/36.html

There is also this (with bunch of repellants):
http://uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/ins...=templates&2.0

[ania]

I had a friend in Bangladesh whose father was a US diplomat and her mother was from Ecuador (sp?) who after at least 17 years of marriage refused to get US citizenship.
A former US ambassador to Israel under Clinton used to be the head of Australian intelligence. He was appointed ambassador shortly after being naturalized.

OK, I wrote: "mostly", "recently", etc. The rules in that agency are not absolute. There is also Henry Kissinger who still has bad English. Madeline Olbrait - from Hungaria. Zbignev Brzerzinsky. All were Secretaries of State. You just have to be the right person.

[ania]

And what is that?

http://www.answers.com/topic/expatriation

[sony55]

OK, I wrote: "mostly", "recently", etc. The rules in that agency are not absolute. There is also Henry Kissinger who still has bad English. Madeline Olbrait - from Hungaria. Zbignev Brzerzinsky. All were Secretaries of State. You just have to be the right person.

now you are saying like , the naturalization is ok , but you just have to be the right person. That right there contradict your first post about the naturalized citizens can not be in high positions like that! If i were you, i won't try to argue more, i would apologize for the false information and keep going. And by the way, Madeline Ulbright is not from Hungary, she is from Chickoslovakia, when it was one country!
Thanks for participating though

[ania]

Czechoslovakia was long a part of Austro-Hungarian Empire, so it is all pretty much same people.
OK, Madeline Albright was born in Czechoslovakia. You are right. But that still does not make her neither Czech nor Slovak.
She is a Jew. Therefore, she would not count Czechoslovakia as her motherland. Just as Kissinger and Brzezinski would not count Germany and Poland as their Motherlands.
Her we go: born in one country, motherland in second country, Secretary of State in the third country.

[ania]

OK,
Motherland is the Land which gave Birth to your People and You. Motherland is Your Mother. Motherland is the Land for which People are ready to die fighting.
For Indians it is Bharat. For Jews it is Israel. Etc.
US does not have a notion of Motherland, i.e. it was a colony of Spain, France, England to begin with. Therefore there is a notion of Homeland (where you live). US is Homeland. Bharat is Motherland. This land here is definetely a motherland for Cheroki, Navaho, etc. "indians" or "native americans". So they fought and died.
Agressors, though, attack someone else's land, therefore they need to hire all kins of criminals and adventurists to do the job for them, as the general population does not have motivation as nobody attacked them.
So here we come: naturalized citizens are rightfully counted as second-class citizens, because they change statehoods like gloves. I would not trust them a minute.
They come for something.

[ania]

Yes, culture is changeable in time, but Land is not (let's not get into Plate Tectonics and First Human Migrations 50000 years ago).
Culture (homeland) is where you grow up, motherland is where most of your genetic brothers live. For many Jews motherland is in Israel.

[ania]

American Worldview: Websters Dictionary:

One entry found for mother country.
Main Entry: mother country
Function: noun
1 : the country from which the people of a colony or former colony derive their origin
2 : the country of one's parents or ancestors; also : FATHERLAND

[Myxomop]

American Worldview: Websters Dictionary:

One entry found for mother country.
Main Entry: mother country
Function: noun
1 : the country from which the people of a colony or former colony derive their origin
2 : the country of one's parents or ancestors; also : FATHERLAND

Hmm... Ania, what are you trying to prove now? What does your concept of the Motherland/Fatherland have to do with your alleged US policy of having two classes of citizens?

[ania]

I am answering to Mr. ****.
People who run from nation to nation are like traitors and using words like motherland and homeland in the new country is not justified. It was not used by Americans themselves before 2001 and still not used anyone except in the government. They say "back in the States" instead of "back home" or "in my homeland" or "in motherland". The Homeland Security Dept gives them associations with only one thing: Standartenfuhrer. Ask them.
That is why America or Israel like nations of immigrants have problem with "nation states" and UN. They think that association of ethnicity with land is wrong.

[ania]

Second-class citizenship does exist and is justified, because those who came couple centuries earlier are more allied with the place then the new immigrants. You need to live here 200 years and have your people in the govt to be accepted.

[sony55]

Second-class citizenship does exist and is justified, because those who came couple centuries earlier are more allied with the place then the new immigrants. You need to live here 200 years and have your people in the govt to be accepted.

Ania,
with all due respect, the more you post and talk , the more erroneous you get and the deeper in the hole you fall. Please drop the subject as I see the ****, thankfully has powerfully and evidently defeated all your allegations.
thank for the discussion though.

[TheRealCanadian]

Motherland is the Land which gave Birth to your People and You. Motherland is Your Mother. Motherland is the Land for which People are ready to die fighting. For Indians it is Bharat. For Jews it is Israel. Etc.

I am a Roman Catholic Canadian living in the US whose parents were born in Czechoslovakia (a country that did not exist 15 years before their birth, and no longer exists today).

What is my Motherland? Vatican City?