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    Hi My wife is on H4 and done BAMS(Bachelors of Aurvedic Medicine) in India.
    I am currenlty looking out available options for her to start employement in USA.

    Please help me what are the options available for her to do employement.
    I have gone through forums and found certification programs like

    http://www.ecfmg.org/
    http://www.cgfns.org/default.shtml
    How feasible these are wrt to BAMS first of all is she can start writing exams, I have read info but things not cleared may be need some expertise advice

    Thanks

  • #2
    I am in the same boat

    Hi cheeks,

    My wife is also BAMS (1999 graduate) Nagpur University, from India. I read a few threads on BAMS on this forum and it says that BAMS from India can not take USMLE. When did your wife do BAMS (year) and which University. We are on EAD, I485 retrogression. I think the best way would be to open a Ayurvedic clinic here or go to Medical school .

    Please keep updated so as we can have some way out for these brillant ladies who did BAMS.

    abhuda
    Last edited by abhuda; 9th June 2006, 06:44 PM.

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    • #3
      Cheeks : I found this old link placed in Physicians forum

      http://boards.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=1836

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      • #4
        Thanks abhuda,
        Iam thinking of Nursing but here that is also too much competition,well I atleast want to know weather BAMS is eligible for Nursing like ECMFG certification etc..
        I will go through other links also..

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        • #5
          Hi Cheeks,

          Can you share that in which University your wife has done BAMS in India. I think BAMS has dead end in US.
          One needs to go to school or start ayurvedic practice in US. If you search, a few people are doing that in US. However the person need to be very confident and good in communication, to make people gain interest in the ayurvedic therapy.

          abhuda

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          • #6
            she finished 2003 year from Bidar, Rajivgandhi University

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            • #7
              Me too would like to join this group

              I am a BAMS graduate from Rajiv Gandhi University ,Karnataka. I am here in US on H4 sinece 2 years. But I have no idea what can i do. I am wasting my time here sitting idle Having done 5 1/2 years degree is all waste here. I have also done 1 year diploma in Yoga and Naturopathy which is also of no use.
              Please suggest me something if u know something. It is so disgusting that Ayurvedic degree is not recognised in US.
              Last edited by starsn; 14th July 2006, 04:26 PM.

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              • #8
                Your best bet is one of the following options.

                1) Use your degree as general Bachelors degree. Try to get admission to course like MBA etc and change careers.

                2) Get admitted to an MPH program (Masters in Public Health) and make some use of your medical background.

                3) Try to get certified as a Science teacher in your state to teach Biology etc at high school level.

                4) Try to get into Nursing school (best option money wise).

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                • #9
                  Thanks a lot texancanadian....But i have a doubt. When Ayurveda is not recognised here can we use it as a bachelors degree? If it is so thats well and good. I am planning to go for massage therapy schools which offers 9-12 month courses. So if i add my 5 1/2 BAMS degree with massage therapy certificate here, can i get work permit/visa?
                  and if i have to go for massage therapy school so i need to get student visa? and do i need to take some exams like GRE, Toefel?

                  I have lost all my hopes now having no idea what can i do to work and continue my proffesion here.
                  Last edited by starsn; 17th July 2006, 06:07 PM.

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                  • #10
                    One more hope for BAMS, if you put some more years in a DO medical school

                    For you one more career path is available but you have to go to school and put some time. Doctor of Osteopathy is fully licensed in US and you can practise in US. Your BAMS supplement the course, however you should have done all the pre-medicine courses (College level Biology, Chemistry , math and Physics) and take MCAT. But admission is not very tough. Get more information from following links

                    http://www.academyofosteopathy.org
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                    Originally posted by starsn
                    Thanks a lot texancanadian....But i have a doubt. When Ayurveda is not recognised here can we use it as a bachelors degree? If it is so thats well and good. I am planning to go for massage therapy schools which offers 9-12 month courses. So if i add my 5 1/2 BAMS degree with massage therapy certificate here, can i get work permit/visa?
                    and if i have to go for massage therapy school so i need to get student visa? and do i need to take some exams like GRE, Toefel?

                    I have lost all my hopes now having no idea what can i do to work and continue my proffesion here.
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                    • #11
                      Thanks greatguru for ur sugestion...
                      Can someone tell me about massage therapy or cosmetology schools thorugh which we can get a job in Spas. But I think Massaage therapy is 1 year course. Do we need to write any exam to get admission. And can we add our BAMS degree to this and get work permit somehow?

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                      • #12
                        You can only get H1 for jobs which require a minimum 4 yr bachelors degree. If you finish Massage Therapy or Cosmetology than fine. However H1 will not be issued if you apply as Cosmetologist or Massage Therapist.
                        However if you get higher level job in these fields ex Salon Manager or Salon Director or Medical Spa director or Chief Esthetician where you can demonstrate a Bachelors degree is required you could try for H1.
                        But that is obviously difficult because unless you know someone no one is directly going to make you a manager or director.

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                        • #13
                          Unless you take a proper US education to complement your BAMS H1 b is not possible.

                          Even MBBS doctors not eligible for H1B unless they pass all the USMLE exam (min 2 years) and finish their 3 years residency, for BDS dentists, it is worse they have to go Dental school 2- 3 yrs redo the entire course and get license before they get their H1.
                          How do you expect BAMS or BHMS get license and H1 in US with out any effort theough the course are not recognized here.

                          Spend some quality time to upgrade yourself with US university degree.
                          Massage therapy requires not even high school graduation to join.

                          Originally posted by starsn
                          Thanks greatguru for ur sugestion...
                          Can someone tell me about massage therapy or cosmetology schools thorugh which we can get a job in Spas. But I think Massaage therapy is 1 year course. Do we need to write any exam to get admission. And can we add our BAMS degree to this and get work permit somehow?
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                          • #14
                            Thanks a lot greatguru for the info......
                            One more doubt here....can I get H1 in IT field with BAMS degree if I do some computer certifications like Software Testing courses from India? Someone suggested me that I can do that and some consultants will sponser H1 with computer knowledge.
                            Is it true? If it is realy true I am thinking to jump for an IT job!!

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                            • #15
                              What ever the courses/certificates you are doing in IT, must be equivalent to a BS degree in IT/ or Engineering or Science.
                              BAMS degree does not qualify for an H1 , same like a MBBS or BDS degree.


                              Originally posted by starsn
                              Thanks a lot greatguru for the info......
                              One more doubt here....can I get H1 in IT field with BAMS degree if I do some computer certifications like Software Testing courses from India? Someone suggested me that I can do that and some consultants will sponser H1 with computer knowledge.
                              Is it true? If it is realy true I am thinking to jump for an IT job!!
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                              • #16
                                BAMS Edu Credential Evaluation

                                We just wanted to let the BAMS graduates on the forum to know:

                                We have sent my wife's BAMS transcripts and degrees along with Grade 10 and Grade 12 Certificates for credential evaluation to World Educational Services. My wife is planning to go for Post Bacculerate program and take Pre-Med courses (1 Yr Biology, Physics, Chemistry and English and some college level calculus). She is taking TOEFL in Oct. The University here will admit her in postbacculurate program. She does not need SAT.

                                It is possible that she can get in MS but truly speaking she willl not be able to cope up. Because after Grade 12 science in India in 1992, she went for BAMS where she lost touch to modern science study. BAMS was in Sanskrit and Marathi medium.

                                Her long term goal is to go to MD or DO. She is not very keen to go to nursing from her Ayurvedic Physicisn Profession (Worked in India as a practioner for 2 years). She wants to move forward.

                                One of the professor in US university said that it would be eaiser for her to get in MD / DO because she has a BAMS degree and worked in India as a Physician. This is the strongest point and that makes her a potential candidate for MD/DO in US and med admission committee will take it positively.

                                We have two kids one is 7 and other is 2. My wife is in her early 30s. I am supporting my wife to move ahead in carrer. I have seen people going to MD in their late 30s or 40s.

                                I am encouraging my wife and let us hope she will achevie something in future, although it is a long journey.

                                Please keep posted what other BAMS graduates are planning to do. BAMS graduates are minority in United States. So keep posted so that we can help each other

                                Sugran and Abhuda

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                                • #17
                                  Pre Med and MCAT is key to your Medicine

                                  Originally posted by abhuda
                                  We just wanted to let the BAMS graduates on the forum to know:

                                  We have sent my wife's BAMS transcripts and degrees along with Grade 10 and Grade 12 Certificates for credential evaluation to World Educational Services. My wife is planning to go for Post Bacculerate program and take Pre-Med courses (1 Yr Biology, Physics, Chemistry and English and some college level calculus). She is taking TOEFL in Oct. The University here will admit her in postbacculurate program. She does not need SAT.

                                  Even if you start your prep now, you will finish your pre med by 2008. From 2008, the new course requirements are as follows.

                                  General Biology (with lab)* 1 (sem)
                                  Advanced Biology (with lab)* 1 (sem)
                                  Inorganic/General Chemistry (with lab) 2 (sem)
                                  Organic Chemistry* 1 (sem)
                                  Biochemistry* 1 (sem) (not reqd until '07)
                                  Physics (with lab) 2 (sem) (not required until '07)
                                  Mathematics (Statistics and Calculus recommended) 2 (sem)

                                  Then you need to appear for MCAT competitive exam for medical school consideration.But you must get above 3.5 GPA in all your Pre Med courses. and high score in MCAT. (Just buy a used MCAT exam prep guide, look at it, learn how deep the subjects are, especially English language reasoning questions) Though pre- med course is the min requirements for medical school, almost all the med schools prefer to have candidates those who have Bachelors degree from US university with very high GPA.(preferably perfect scores 3.8-4.0 on 4 scale)

                                  Yes , age is not considered here, if you spend 3 years in quality study , and prepare MCAT you can make it. Do not forget, Pre med cost 10K - 30K per year depends on school, MCAT prep cost 3K to 14K (one to one coaching)


                                  It is possible that she can get in MS but truly speaking she willl not be able to cope up. Because after Grade 12 science in India in 1992, she went for BAMS where she lost touch to modern science study. BAMS was in Sanskrit and Marathi medium.

                                  Her long term goal is to go to MD or DO. She is not very keen to go to nursing from her Ayurvedic Physicisn Profession (Worked in India as a practioner for 2 years). She wants to move forward.

                                  One of the professor in US university said that it would be eaiser for her to get in MD / DO because she has a BAMS degree and worked in India as a Physician. This is the strongest point and that makes her a potential candidate for MD/DO in US and med admission committee will take it positively.
                                  This notion is completley wrong, students with engineering, pschology and any other major considered very positively than biology major. Here key is your Pre Med GPA and period MCAT score. None of the international med qualification is recognized for MD course. Whoever gave counselling, does not have real world insight. You can go to any med school, get counselling on this.or buy the book title --------- Medical School Admission Requirements (MSAR) 2007-2008: The Most Authoritative Guide to All U.S. and Canadian Medical Schools (Medical School Admission) and learn more


                                  We have two kids one is 7 and other is 2. My wife is in her early 30s. I am supporting my wife to move ahead in carrer. I have seen people going to MD in their late 30s or 40s.

                                  I am encouraging my wife and let us hope she will achevie something in future, although it is a long journey.

                                  Please keep posted what other BAMS graduates are planning to do. BAMS graduates are minority in United States. So keep posted so that we can help each other

                                  Sugran and Abhuda
                                  Last edited by great guru; 31st August 2006, 12:00 PM.
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                                  • #18
                                    BAMS educational credential evaluation

                                    I have submitted my BAMS transcripts and degree along with grade 10, grade 11 and grade 12 transcripts to World education Services. We chose WES because the university of Georgia , Athens gave names of five credential evaluation companies from where we can evaluate the BAMS credential. We chose course - by-course evaluation since I wnat to go to college. WES evlaution is scheduled to be completed by 9/15/2006 . I will post the result as to what they evaluate.

                                    I guess that it should be considered equavalent to US B.S because it 4.5 years course work and a year of internship.

                                    abhuda and sugran

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                                    • #19
                                      bams

                                      Originally posted by abhuda
                                      Her long term goal is to go to MD or DO. She is not very keen to go to nursing from her Ayurvedic Physicisn Profession (Worked in India as a practioner for 2 years). She wants to move forward.
                                      err, going from BAMS to BSN nursing is moving FORWARD, not backward. my nursing degree eventhough i got it from abroad is credited here and i am allowed to take the US nursing exam

                                      Originally posted by abhuda
                                      One of the professor in US university said that it would be eaiser for her to get in MD / DO because she has a BAMS degree and worked in India as a Physician. This is the strongest point and that makes her a potential candidate for MD/DO in US and med admission committee will take it positively.
                                      frankly, BAMS degree holders have an ENTIRELY different mind-set compared to a MD or DO physician....i do not know how it would be an advantage. more like a disadvantage in my opinion

                                      anyways, goodluck with your wife's career
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                                      • #20
                                        BAMS can do MS & Phd in Ayurvedic Medicine and practice in California

                                        BAMS do not get discouraged.

                                        Few universities offer MS & PhD in Oriental & Acupuncture, Ayurvedic and Homoeopathic medicines.

                                        California state gives licnese upon completion of courses and residency to practise only in CA.

                                        For all other state you have to check state licensing authority for licensing requirements and course required.

                                        For detailes course description check with this university.

                                        One of the institute offering MS & PhD in Ayurvedic medcine is American University of Complementary medicine. los Angeles. But it is individual responsibilty to check licensing requirements in each state before taking any complimentary medicine course.

                                        http://www.aucm.org






                                        Originally posted by imminfog
                                        Thanks to you all for starting and contributing to a BAMS thread.

                                        What are the good options for a BAMS who -
                                        + was a homemaker raising kids for the last years and could finally remeber that she had studied BAMS
                                        + would need a little time to reach English 101 level or pass TOEFL.
                                        + completed BAMS long ago and at few places inquired, would need tons of prerequisite for RN and some other courses, making it a very long process.
                                        + is US citizen - if that matters.

                                        + Friends, if you have done educational credential evaluation for BAMS with medium of instructions other than English, could you please share what is this equivalent to ? What could be a smart way to use that equivalency ?

                                        What would be the wise action to begin with ?

                                        Easiest thing we found are - community college based courses ( e.g. Phlebetomy / Medical Billing etc ). Are there any better options?

                                        Has any one explored private colleges offering corses such as ultrasound / radiology technician ?

                                        Any Input / thoughts greatly appreciated.

                                        It seems discouraging to find BAMS not readily useful. However, do not loose heart. We must explore and find out good options.

                                        Good Luck to you all BAMS.
                                        Last edited by great guru; 8th September 2006, 07:23 PM.
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