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  • Full middle name vs. initial in N400

    Folks, i am sure many of you dealt with this.

    I rarely use my middle name...generally use initial...Green Card also only used initial.

    Should i go with initial for N400 1st entry : CURRENT LEGAL NAME to make it consistent with Green Card
    09/21/2009. Mailed N-400
    09/22/2009. N-400 Received - Priority Date
    09/23/2009. NOA
    09/24/2009. Checks cleared
    09/28/2009. FP Notice
    10/20/2009 FP Complete
    11/24/2009 -Status change. Case is transferred to a local office for an interview
    11/28/2009- Interview letter
    01/14/2010 - Interview Date
    01/22/2010 -OATH....US CITIZEN!
    01/25/2010- Appointment at Passport Agency
    01/27/2010- Passport Collected

  • #2
    Originally posted by DreamUSA View Post
    Folks, i am sure many of you dealt with this.

    I rarely use my middle name...generally use initial...Green Card also only used initial.

    Should i go with initial for N400 1st entry : CURRENT LEGAL NAME to make it consistent with Green Card
    I don't know. But if you do that you can also write your full name
    into "other names you have used" so you don't hide anything
    03/25/2009 - N400 sent
    04/28/2009 - FP
    05/15/2009 - IL received but interview was descheduled three times over a 7 month period
    01/07/2010 - The USCIS interview receptionist called by phone for interview appointment next tuesday
    01/12/2010 - Interview (20 min - decision can not be made)
    02/06/2010 - Oath letter received
    02/24/2010 - Oath
    03/04/2010 - Passport application
    03/24/2010 - passport book received
    03/26/2010 - passport card received & certificate returned

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DreamUSA View Post
      I rarely use my middle name...generally use initial...Green Card also only used initial.

      Should i go with initial for N400 1st entry : CURRENT LEGAL NAME to make it consistent with Green Card
      Look at the machine-readable zone at the bottom of your GC. Does it have your full middle name? If it does, then write it in full on N-400 because that is how it appears in the USCIS database.

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      • #4
        On the bottom of the GC, it will show middle name even though it might show middle initial on the top. So, I put middle name on the N-400 application because whatever we put on the application is going to show on the citizenship certificate.
        PS: Anything I say here is my personal opinion, not a legal advice

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DreamUSA View Post
          Folks, i am sure many of you dealt with this.

          I rarely use my middle name...generally use initial...Green Card also only used initial.

          Should i go with initial for N400 1st entry : CURRENT LEGAL NAME to make it consistent with Green Card
          Part 1
          A) write your full name:
          Last name:
          Given name:
          Full middle name:
          B) write same as on your Card
          Remember, I am strictly a layperson without any legal training. Please, if in doubt, be sure to use the services of a professional lawyer whom you trust.

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          • #6
            You guys great...thanks a lot ..

            Minor nuance just to clarify:

            In face of green card, it only uses Middle Initial ...while machine readble side used full middle name.

            When it says in 2, write as appears in your green card....so we ignore machine readable part use initial version right ?
            09/21/2009. Mailed N-400
            09/22/2009. N-400 Received - Priority Date
            09/23/2009. NOA
            09/24/2009. Checks cleared
            09/28/2009. FP Notice
            10/20/2009 FP Complete
            11/24/2009 -Status change. Case is transferred to a local office for an interview
            11/28/2009- Interview letter
            01/14/2010 - Interview Date
            01/22/2010 -OATH....US CITIZEN!
            01/25/2010- Appointment at Passport Agency
            01/27/2010- Passport Collected

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            • #7
              My green card only had my initial, but I put my fullname on the N-400 application. At the interview, the IO noticed the "discrepancy", and completed some additional paperwork to update their records (she actually said it was a name change, but I heard no more about it afterward) and my certificate was produced with my full middle name.
              N400 at California SC, Field office- Los Angeles

              Sep 3, 2007 Application Mailed
              Sep 12, 2007 - Priority date
              Nov 20,2007 - NOA1: "expect to be notified within 425 days of this notice",
              Jan 10, 2008 - fingerprints appointment
              Sept 8, 2008 - Interview date -rescheduled at my request
              Jan 6, 2009 - Interview date
              Feb 26, 2009 - Citizenship Oath
              Feb 27, 2009 - Passport app., regular processing
              Apr 3, 2009 - Passport received

              *online status "case received Oct 29", no touches showing.

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              • #8
                Auscal, did you put full middle name in both section 1 and 2 ?

                2 asks to put as it exactly appears in GC....which is middle name name initial ?
                09/21/2009. Mailed N-400
                09/22/2009. N-400 Received - Priority Date
                09/23/2009. NOA
                09/24/2009. Checks cleared
                09/28/2009. FP Notice
                10/20/2009 FP Complete
                11/24/2009 -Status change. Case is transferred to a local office for an interview
                11/28/2009- Interview letter
                01/14/2010 - Interview Date
                01/22/2010 -OATH....US CITIZEN!
                01/25/2010- Appointment at Passport Agency
                01/27/2010- Passport Collected

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                • #9
                  If you have a middle name on your birth certificate, you're supposed to write your full middle name in the question where it asks for your current legal name (unless you've removed the middle name with a legal name change process).

                  Then in the question where it asks for your name as displayed on the green card, you write exactly what is on the green card, whether the green card has the full middle name, middle initial, or nothing for the middle.

                  EB3 ROW I-485 Approved: July 2007
                  USC: July 2013
                  I am a layman, not a lawyer. What I write here is not official or professional legal advice. In addition, my answers on this forum are specific to the scenarios discussed in each thread and should not be generalized to other situations.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DreamUSA View Post
                    You guys great...thanks a lot ..

                    Minor nuance just to clarify:

                    In face of green card, it only uses Middle Initial ...while machine readble side used full middle name.
                    -------------------write your name as on green card in B
                    for A write your full name as on machine readble side used full middle name..

                    When it says in 2, write as appears in your green card....so we ignore machine readable part use initial version right ?
                    Here is info from Mannual that is used by officer at the time of Interview:

                    4) Name on Permanent Resident Card


                    (A) General . In most instances, the Permanent Resident Card shows the applicant’s correct, legal name. There are certain rare instances where the card may not reflect the correct legal name. For example, if the applicant has a three-part Asian name, the Permanent Resident Card may have the first and middle names reversed. You should look at the documents supporting the immigrant visa or the refugee application and supporting documents and discuss this with the applicant. Placing the names in the correct order is not a legal name change and does not require court authorization. If the case will not be granted or if there is a substantial amount of time between the examination and the oath ceremony, the applicant could apply for a replacement card with the corrected name.

                    The name on the card in most cases will be the legal name at the time the applicant became a lawful permanent resident. Check that the name on the application is the same. If not, you must ask the applicant about the difference. In some cases, the applicant will have changed names legally, for example by marriage. You must ask the applicant to document the name change. In other cases, the Permanent Resident Card may not show the correct name; you must make this determination based on the documents in the fi le and any documents (including passport and birth certificate) that the applicant presents at the examination. If the legal name is not the same as the name on the Permanent Resident Card, make sure the application and the certificate preparation sheet show the legal name. Also, be sure that the naturalization case management system has the applicant’s legal name. If the applicant has changed his/her name pursuant to common law practice, then be sure to keep copies in the file of all documentation showing the name recognized under common law. When you accept the validity of a common law name change, USCIS should be updated to show the new name as being the subject’s name, and the previous name should be shown as an alias. This action must be completed prior to the oath ceremony being closed. If you have a question about the common law governing the place where the applicant claims the common law name change occurred, see your supervisor or district counsel. Also see the discussion on names in Part One of the N-400 application, located in Chapter 74.2(a) .
                    Remember, I am strictly a layperson without any legal training. Please, if in doubt, be sure to use the services of a professional lawyer whom you trust.

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                    • #11
                      The N-400 instructions say:
                      A. Your current legal name - Your current legal name is the name on your birth certificate unless it has been changed after birth by a legal action such as a marriage or court order.

                      EB3 ROW I-485 Approved: July 2007
                      USC: July 2013
                      I am a layman, not a lawyer. What I write here is not official or professional legal advice. In addition, my answers on this forum are specific to the scenarios discussed in each thread and should not be generalized to other situations.

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                      • #12
                        That is all, fine and understood. The dilema is that our green cards do not show full middle name and it just shows initial (I am not talking about machine readable part). Should we then put just initial in section 2 of N400 as instructed in the application
                        09/21/2009. Mailed N-400
                        09/22/2009. N-400 Received - Priority Date
                        09/23/2009. NOA
                        09/24/2009. Checks cleared
                        09/28/2009. FP Notice
                        10/20/2009 FP Complete
                        11/24/2009 -Status change. Case is transferred to a local office for an interview
                        11/28/2009- Interview letter
                        01/14/2010 - Interview Date
                        01/22/2010 -OATH....US CITIZEN!
                        01/25/2010- Appointment at Passport Agency
                        01/27/2010- Passport Collected

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DreamUSA View Post
                          That is all, fine and understood. The dilema is that our green cards do not show full middle name and it just shows initial (I am not talking about machine readable part). Should we then put just initial in section 2 of N400 as instructed in the application
                          Part 1
                          B: you should write what is on your card.
                          Remember, I am strictly a layperson without any legal training. Please, if in doubt, be sure to use the services of a professional lawyer whom you trust.

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                          • #14
                            My GC had a middle name initial on top but full middle name in the machine-readable zone, so I decided to go with the latter on N-400. Never had any problems because of this. If you are paranoid about the phrase "exactly as it appears on GC", then no matter what you put, you will always doubt whether you've made a right choice. My point is that both initial and full middle name appear on the GC, the only difference is that initial appears only on the GC for simplicity whilst the USCIS database contains the full middle name. Go with the full name.

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                            • #15
                              good point
                              09/21/2009. Mailed N-400
                              09/22/2009. N-400 Received - Priority Date
                              09/23/2009. NOA
                              09/24/2009. Checks cleared
                              09/28/2009. FP Notice
                              10/20/2009 FP Complete
                              11/24/2009 -Status change. Case is transferred to a local office for an interview
                              11/28/2009- Interview letter
                              01/14/2010 - Interview Date
                              01/22/2010 -OATH....US CITIZEN!
                              01/25/2010- Appointment at Passport Agency
                              01/27/2010- Passport Collected

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